Welcome to episode 13 of the Knight and Rose podcast! In this episode, we compare Christianity and atheism to see how each one rationally grounds the moral point of view. If you like this episode, please subscribe to the podcast, and subscribe to our Youtube channel. We would appreciate it if you left us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

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Christian apologists Wintery Knight and Desert Rose discuss apologetics, policy, culture, relationships, and more. Each episode equips you with evidence you can use to boldly engage anyone, anywhere. We train our listeners to become Christian secret agents. Action and adventure guaranteed. 30-45 minutes per episode. New episode every week.

Episode 13:

Episode  Summary:

Wintery Knight and Desert Rose contrast Christianity and atheism to see which worldview makes it rational for humans to behave morally. We talk about cosmology, objective moral values, objective moral duties, and free will in each worldview. We talk about how humans discover moral values and duties in each worldview. We discuss the meaning and significance of behaving morally in the Christian worldview compared to the atheist worldview. We compare moral exemplars of Christianity and secular leftism.

Speaker biographies

Wintery Knight is a black legal immigrant. He is a senior software engineer by day, and an amateur Christian apologist by night. He has been blogging at winteryknight.com since January of 2009, covering news, policy and Christian worldview issues.

Desert Rose did her undergraduate degree in public policy, and then worked for a conservative Washington lobbyist organization. She also has a graduate degree from a prestigious evangelical seminary. She is active in Christian apologetics as a speaker, author, and teacher.

Acknowledgements

Two philosophers assisted us with the script for this episode, Tom and Blake.

Memes

References

How the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation falsified atheism by Wintery Knight

How the WMAP satellite confirmed nucleosynthesis predictions and falsified atheism by Wintery Knight

Robin Collins lectures on the fine-tuning argument at Pepperdine University

Can We Be Good without God? by William Lane Craig

Reasons for Divine Commands by William Lane Craig (David Baggett’s article on Divine Command Theory)

Seven Reasons Why Moral Apologetics Points to Christianity by David Baggett

C. Stephen Evans on Accountability and Obligations in Christian Theism (YouTube video)

Can Atheists Rationally Ground Objective Moral Values and Duties? by Wintery Knight

Making Sense of Morality: Wielenberg’s Naturalistic Ethics by R. Scott Smith (Platonism)

Highlights From Debate with Erik Wielenberg. Part One by William Lane Craig

Highlights From Debate with Erik Wielenberg. Part Two by William Lane Craig

Utilitarianism and the Moral Life by J. P. Moreland (Utilitarianism)

To Defend Marriage, We Should Learn a Lesson From Apolgoetics by Jay Richards (PDF)

Mark D. Linville: does Darwinian evolution make morality rational?

God, Naturalism, and the Foundations of Morality by Paul Copan (PDF)

William Wilberforce and Abolishing the Slave Trade: How True Christian Values Ended Support of Slavery by Rusty Wright

The seven fatal flaws of moral relativism by Wintery Knight

William Lane Craig lectures on the moral argument at Georgia Tech

What useful things can Christians learn by studying metaphysics?

Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case by Frank Turek

Why Should I Be Moral? by Kai Nielsen (an atheist philosopher)

What was sexual behavior like in the Roman empire, before Christianity took over? by Wintery Knight

Accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein was a major Democratic donor by The Blaze

Harvey Weinstein Has Donated Nearly $600,000 to Democrats by the Washington Free Beacon

The Complete Atheist’s Guide to Rationally Grounding Objective Morality on Atheism by Wintery Knight

Was Stalin an atheist? Is atheism or communism responsible for mass murders? by Wintery Knight

90 Atheist Quotes that All Christians and Atheists Should Read by James Bishop

What got me started on apologetics? William Lane Craig debate transcripts by Wintery Knight (debates on atheism and morality)

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Morality has always been a problem for atheists, given that the worldview of atheism is unable to rationally ground the foundations of objective morality:

• Objective moral values
• Objective moral duties
• Accountability for moral choices
• Free will, for making moral choices
• Ultimate significance, in an afterlife

Each of these is not available on atheism, because if atheism is true, then the universe is an accident, human beings are accidents, and there is no design for how humans ought to be, no free will, and no accountability in an afterlife for those who escape consequences for their actions before they die.

So, how can atheists rationally ground objective morality without a Cosmic designer and an objective design for how humans ought to be?

It’s easy. And I will show you how to do it, using some examples.

So, before we see how to rationally ground objective morality on atheism, let’s first see some atheist morality, courtesy of the UK Daily Mail.

Ed Buck was convicted Tuesday on charges he injected gay men with methamphetamine in exchange for sex, leading to two deaths and other overdoses.

A federal jury found 66-year-old Buck guilty of all nine felony counts against him, which could lead to a life sentence.

[…]Prosecutors said Buck paid black men and provided drugs in return for sex acts, having hunted online for partners with the familiar term ‘PnP’ – ‘party and play’, or using meth, then having sex.

Atheists believe a lot of objectively moral things like this. Remember Democrat politician Andrew Gillum? I don’t think I’ve ever seen an atheist being more objectively moral than that. What’s more objective morally than being passed out in a hotel room with drugs and gay prostitutes when you’re married and running for governor of Florida?

So, how can atheists rationally ground this excellent objective morality to people who don’t share their atheist worldview?

The first thing is that atheists need to be rich, so that they can escape the consequences of being judged and shamed by those intolerant Christians, who lack empathy and compassion. Being rich also allows atheists to use their money to promote the objective morality of atheism in the political realm – by donating to Democrat politicians. The more Democrat politicians get elected, the more Democrat policies we’ll get. And those policies are excellent for eliminating criticism of atheist morality.

Ed Buck demonstrates this well:

Buck is a wealthy white man who was active in gay causes and animal rights issues.

His Facebook page showed him with Hillary Clinton, the former governor Jerry Brown and Representatives Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff.

[…]His contributions to Democrat politicians and causes from 2005 to 2017 totaled $433,500, according to The New York Times.

Democrats politicians support all kinds of policies designed to rationally ground atheist morality. Democrats push for single mother welfare, in order to incentivize fatherlessness. Democrats support premarital sex and no-fault divorce, to destabilize marriage. Democrats urge women put their children with taxpayer-funded daycare and public schools. This way, children, (the ones who survive being aborted or infanticided), can avoid the harmful morality of their biological parents, and instead be raised by strangers in daycares and government-run schools. There, they will learn objective atheist morality: there is no God, no human rights, no objective morality, that natural marriage is an abomination, that abortion is a sacrament, that transgenderism is scientific, etc. Democrat policies will produce a generation of young people with rationally grounded objective morality.

Let’s see another example of atheist morality, and see how it can be rationally grounded in an atheist worldview.

Here is the story from Oregon Live:

The former boyfriend of Terrence P. Bean was arrested early Thursday on sex abuse charges stemming from the same alleged 2013 encounter with a 15-year-old boy at a hotel in Eugene.

Kiah Loy Lawson, 25, was arrested at 1:15 a.m. at the Portland Police Bureau’s Central Precinct and booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center shortly after 2 a.m.

He’s accused of third-degree sodomy and third-degree sexual abuse.

[…]Bean, 66, a prominent gay rights activist and major Democratic Party fundraiser, was arrested at his home in Southwest Portland and booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center at 10:12 a.m. Wednesday.

The indictment charges Bean with two counts of third-degree sodomy, a felony, and one count of third-degree sex abuse, a misdemeanor, police said.

[…]Both Bean and Lawson are accused of having a sexual encounter with the same 15-year-old boy in a hotel in Eugene last year. They had arranged the encounter with the teen after meeting him via a website, investigators allege.

Bean has been one of the state’s biggest Democratic donors and an influential figure in gay rights circles in the state. He helped found two major national political groups, the Human Rights Campaign and the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, and has been a major contributor for several Democratic presidential candidates, including Barack Obama. He’s also a close friend of former Gov. Barbara Roberts.

Again, the important thing is that atheists need to be wealthy, and donate to Democrat politicians. That way, no one will ever be able to judge or shame them for their atheist objective morality – it will be rationally grounded with all the best atheist logic and evidence.

Actually, there are a lot more good examples of atheist morality.

The far-left New York Times reports:

The mayor of Seattle, Ed Murray, said on Tuesday that he would resign after announcing in May that he would not seek a second term. Several men have come forward to accuse Mr. Murray of sexually abusing them decades ago, when they were underage.

The announcement came just hours after The Seattle Times published a story with an account by a fifth man, Mr. Murray’s cousin, who said Mr. Murray had abused him in the 1970s.

[..]Mr. Murray, 62, a Democrat, is the city’s first openly gay mayor, and had served in the State Legislature for many years before being elected in 2013.

[…]The liberal Mr. Murray is generally considered a father of Washington’s same-sex marriage law, which he pressed in the State Legislature for years.

The radically-leftist New York Times isn’t about to tell you what this Democrat gay-marriage activist actually did – that’s not news that’s fit to print. For that you have to go to Life Site News. Again, don’t try this unless you are an expert in atheist philosophy (being wealthy and donating to Democrat politicians).

Harvey Weinstein was especially good at defending atheist morality. He had perfected the argument from wealth and the argument from giving money to Democrats. He might have the most rationally-grounded atheist objective morality of any non-Christian scholar I’ve ever read. Even better than than the philosophical arguments of Jeffrey Epstein, Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Elliot Spitzer or Eric Schneiderman. And those philosophers knew a thing or two about rationally-grounded objective morality on atheism.

The important point is that atheists need to be familiar with the 1) be wealthy argument, and the 2) give money to Democrat politicians argument, in order to rationally ground atheist objective morality. It’s also a good idea for rank-and-file atheists to vote Democrat – it will make moral judgement of atheists, and shaming of atheist morality impossible. As soon as atheists can user government to eliminate bad philosophy by Christians, then there will be no one left to question the excellent atheist morality I described above.

It seems like every other news story is about some secular leftist getting arrested for sex crimes. Usually, it’s some prominent Democrat donor, or maybe the co-founder of a large gay rights organization, or a Democrat mayor, or a Democrat candidate for governor, or a Human Rights Commission member, or just an ordinary gay rights activist.

Here’s the latest, reported by The Post Millennial:

Netflix “Cheer” star Jeremiah Harris has been sentenced to 12 years in federal prison after pleading guilty to child pornography and sex charges in February.

Assistant US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois Joseph D. Fitzpatrick told CNN that Harris will be serving a 12-year federal prison sentence, followed by 8 years of court-supervised release.

Jeremiah “Jerry” Harris rose to fame after starring in the Netflix reality docuseries “Cheer,” and shocked the nation when he was arrested and charged with possession of child pornography in Sept. 2020, days after he was under FBI investigation for soliciting sex from minors.

Following a plea agreement with the United States government, Harris pleaded guilty in February to one count of receiving child pornography and one count of engaging in sexual acts with a minor, after being charged with a seven-count indictment in the US District Court in northern Illinois in December 2020.

Harris pleaded guilty to two of the charges from that indictment, stating that he received child pornography and engaged in interstate travel to meet a 15-year-old boy with whom he engaged in sexual relations, according to court documents.

However, the star of the docuseries allegedly admitted to receiving sexually explicit images from “at least between 10 to 15 other individuals he knew were minors,” the US Attorney’s Office in Chicago said in a criminal complaint.

Harris was slapped with a $1 million lawsuit from twin brothers who claimed that he “groomed” them for sexual activities, Page Six reported.

I’m trying to think about what the game plan is for the secular left. Looking back on the last decades, they seem to have had victory after victory. They don’t like chastity, and that’s pretty much dead. They like no-fault divorce, and that’s legal. They like the hook-up culture (it’s equality for women!), and that’s going well. They don’t like natural marriage (it’s got sexist gender roles), and marriage is dying out. They even managed to legalize same-sex marriage, making it easier for selfish adults to deprive kids of a mother or a father – or both.

The goal of the secular left seems to be to separate kids from their bio-parents, and to insulate them from Christianity. They love daycare and public schools, but they hate stay-at-home moms. They just don’t want kids to have much contact with their parents, preferring them to be in contact with strangers like the people you see on LibsOfTikTok’s Twitter channel.

It must really bother them that LGBT activists having sex with children is still a crime. I guess they’ll just try harder to get Democrats to win elections, so they can shame and silence and sue anyone who dares to disapprove of their behaviors.