What should you study to prepare yourself for a career?

Here’s an interesting post from the Chapman Kids blog. The father is a software engineer like me, and he’s serious and intentional about how he is leading his children.

In a recent post, he talks about one of the adventures that the two kids are having with a community college professor of English writing. The post is entitled “Continued conversation with the kid’s commie teacher”.

He writes:

As many already know, Kelly and Christian take a “writing” class at the community college where the dear leader of the class lectures on the evils of all things Christian, the beauty of communism and atheism, and the righteousness of drug legalization and abortion.  Today’s topic was Christianity.

[…]At the point when he made the claim that Adam and Eve could not have existed because of the scientific evidence for evolution, Christian raised his hand and said, “There is just as much scientific evidence against macroevolution as there is for it.”

“You don’t believe in evolution!” exclaimed the professor incredulously with a look of disdain and horror.

“We DO believe in microevolution.  It is grossly arrogant for you NOT to question your own beliefs when it comes to evolution” said Kelly.  “That is what you are demanding from us.”

The professor said, “Evolution is established scientific fact” and used several of the standard canards (fossil record, etc.) to establish his point.

Then they were off to the races.  Fortunately, during homeschool, Christian and Kelly had read books like The Victory of Reason:  How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success by Rodney Stark, Understanding Intelligent Design:  Everything You Need to Know in Plain Language by William Dembski and Sean McDowell, Tactics: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions by Greg Koukl, and Intellectuals by Paul Johnson.  The professor was armed with shibboleths about the truth of macroevolution and quotes from John Shelby Spong about the virgin birth.  John Shelby Spong!?!!  You have to be WILDLY out of touch with both current scholarship and reality if you quote John Shelby Spong about virtually anything.  He quotes the likes of losers like Noam Chomsky and Bertrand Russell, too.

I tweeted Kelly a link to the William Lane Craig vs John Shelby Spong. Here is part 1 and part 2 of that debate on Youtube. It’s worth watching if you haven’t seen it before.

Mr. Chapman continues his post:

It is frustrating.  Here is a writing a professor who fervently believes he is making students question their beliefs through these profoundly silly arguments.  The subject matter is objectionable, but this guy’s incompetence is even more objectionable.  He does not appear to understand the difference between scientific method and historic method (very important in discussion of the resurrection).  Neither does he understand that it is impossible to argue for the primacy of scientific method without consideration of its philosophical underpinings.  I guess I should be grateful he is incompetent with respect to his arguments–he does nothing to get the kids to question their faith or worldview.  Still, a lot of taxpayer money is wasted on professors like this throughout the land.

Well, the kids have to learn how to write, but I think it is important to note English classes are especially politicized. There is an awful lot of ideology in English classes, because that’s the easiest place for people who want to teach to go if they want to avoid being corrected by real life. In English, and other similar areas, it’s easier for a teacher to go on and on about their ideas without have to test them against the real world. It’s the easiest subject for teachers to force students to agree with your ideology without allowing them to be able to bring in facts to disagree. Basically, a secular lefty teacher can always find literature (usually modern literature, blech!) that casts Christians as brutes, Christian moral standards as outdated and harmful, and non-Christian behavior as praiseworthy. Because literature is necessarily made-up – it’s just opinion.

Even someone like me who gets courting and chivalry guidance from Shakespeare and Austen is cautious about taking courses in literature. Plus, you can can get into a lot of trouble for disagreeing with the teacher. I took English electives during my undergraduate degree and they do grade you on your viewpoint, something which is much harder for them to do in math, science, physics, chemistry, etc.

Another post from Mr. Chapman discusses how children should study STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) topics, even if those children intend to work in a non-STEM field.

He writes:

I found a great article in the Wall Street Journal this morning titled Generation Jobless:  Students Pick Easier Majors Despite Less Pay.  It had some startling statistics:

Workers who majored in psychology have median earnings that are $38,000 below those of computer engineering majors, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data by Georgetown University.

Wow.  The article tells a story about a student who switched from Electrical and Computer Engineering because her team stayed up past midnight in a lab to write a soda machine program.  They could not get it to work, so to keep from getting a bad grade, she withdrew from the course.  Then she switched from engineering to a double major in psychology and policy management.  Her grades went from B’s and C’s to A’s.  She said her high school did not prepare her for the rigor of an engineering degree.

So the upshot is that she is willing to work in a low-paying career for the rest of her life because she was unwilling to do what was necessary to pass a few hard classes.  I have had this discussion with people before.  If you cannot handle a specifc course, you can do a TON of things to make it happen. You can get a tutor.  You can take the class two or even three times if needed.  You can take a more remedial course, then try the tough one again.  Is it worth it to go to school for a year or two more to do something you like and that pays well for the next forty or fifty year?  It seems like a no brainer.

The crazy part is that even for those who want to do less technical jobs, it is best to prepare for that non-technical job with a hard degree.

Research has shown that graduating with these majors provides a good foundation not just for so-called STEM jobs, or those in the science, technology, engineering, and math fields, but a whole range of industries where earnings expectations are high. Business, finance and consulting firms, as well as most health-care professions, are keen to hire those who bring quantitative skills and can help them stay competitive.

We joked about this quite a bit, but I wanted to get it into the kids head that, if they went to college (not necessarily a given–preparation for many careers–pilot, electrician, writer, and small business owner are monumentally better served through some type of preparation other than college), they could study their passion, but they needed to start with a rigorous degree.  We defined rigorous as anything that involves hard math.  The use of hard math and statistics is creating new breakthroughs in a lot of fields right now:  medicine, agriculture, sociology, etc., etc. etc.

I agree with Mr. Chapman. And I think that he is definitely going to raise successful, influential Christians, because he and the children are well prepared and engaged. He has a great relationship with his kids. They are definitely more advanced than I was when I was their age. It’s encouraging to me to see a Christian Dad who is focused and purposeful about having solid relationships with his kids, and preparing them for the dangerous world they are entering as adults. I think it’s important to admire the people who are getting it right (the parents and the kids together) and learn from their successes. I like that he is still involved with what his children are learning even after they are finished with high school.

I really do think that engineers make the best husbands and fathers. Engineers learn how to gather requirements, evaluate alternative solutions, and then implement. Engineers care about designing to support expandability, maintenance, security and unexpected emergencies. They are easy to argue with, because they believe in logic and evidence. They are pragmatic – they make decisions based on what works, not what sounds good or feels good. Good engineers also have training in project management, budgeting, leadership and resource management, too. The best engineers are the entrepreneurs, who understand business, economics, business law and politics. It really is an ideal skill set for marriage and parenting. Engineers try to build things, and those building skills can be re-used to build a family.

5 thoughts on “What should you study to prepare yourself for a career?”

  1. Thanks for the nice compliments and the links Wintery! This class has been a VERY educational experience in our household, both about how to defend oneself, but to do it respectfully, so I guess it was not a total loss. It would have been nice if were educational about writing. The worldview stuff makes me think about William Lane Craig’s desire to debate capable opponents. The less capable ones are not so educational.

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    1. I have a friend named Wes who is a software engineer like us, and his wife is a homeschooling mom. He saw this post on Facebook and expressed his approval for you. He is trying to do similar things. This is what I mean when I say that software engineers are just better at these challenges. We make plans. We achieve goals.

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  2. As a parent that is homeschooling and has kids in the system as well I can totally identify with the challenges that Mr. Chapman is facing and also the benefit of the training in debate it provides, though it results in a daily battle for freedom and faith through principles and polemics. Every assignment and project is an opportunity for witness in an English class. Last year my daughter wrote a piece of writing that the teacher wanted to have published, but I’m sure went against everything the school board stood for. What I don’t understand from reading this is, where are all the other parents? How are they coping? Why do I feel alone most of the time? Ok, I get the fact that in a public school not everyone has Christian parent’s (and, as a Catholic, I was sending my kids to a Catholic school which was worse), but shouldn’t all Christian parents be objecting just like Chapman? Where are all the intellectual battle reports? As a child, I was taking on my sixth grade teacher in a discussion on how Galileo doesn’t actually disprove Moses, and I meet Christian children today who don’t even know who either of these individuals are!
    As far as the second article goes, I have to say I agree with the girl that highschool isn’t adequately preparing children for analytical courses. If we keep teaching highschoolers that their opinion matters, “I think therefore I am,” they are going to be totally lost in a field that exists to disprove their raison d’être. I do however give Wintery Knight full credit for pointing out the obvious solutions to the problem, and has someone who failed an advanced math class (distracted wile working a night job), retook it and got an A+ the suggestions seem realistic and reasonable.

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    1. @Mariangela, Your comment on “where are all the other parents?” was a question we asked, too. Our kids are the youngest kids in their community college classes and THEY are the ones who try to give apologetic answers. None of the other kids seem to get that these are life and death questions. There are always seem to be a few other people who are at least sympathetic to our kids positions, but on the day the teacher spoke about homosexuality, our kids were utterly alone and were mocked. Wintery has a stunningly good post that gives secular reasons for the wrongness of homosexuality and the kids used some of that, but the question was framed in a way to put Christianity in a bad light. “Will you go to hell if you are homosexual”. Our kids answered “Yes, if you are living an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle.” They were the ONLY ones in the room with that belief. What are parents teaching the kids these days. Why do parents abdicate their responsibility to teach these kinds of things and let government (and many private) school teachers advocate for things God hates? It saddens us.

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  3. In high school I took an English class at the local community college, and I remember getting into a debate with the professor over the Iraq War (which had just started). Although I was just a high school kid I had no problems holding my own against that professor.

    Regarding the ECE student who switched majors after having to stay up past midnight, it’s probably best for her anyway that she went elsewhere. It’s a poor excuse to switch majors, but if someone doesn’t even have the motivation and persistence to stay up late then there’s no point in continuing in that field. I remember staying up past midnight routinely to finish homework on a daily basis (in college). Projects often turned into all-nighters. One of my projects was to build the transmitter of a wireless transmitter/receiver system, and I accidentally screwed up the biasing for one of the transistors in the circuit the night before it was due — so I worked in the lab the entire night and finally got it working just before it was due the next day. Another of my projects was in a software engineering class in which my team worked for 22 hours straight to meet the beta release deadline and then 26 hours straight for the final release and demonstration (okay, we did run down to grab food from time to time). Yet instead of giving up and switching majors I got A’s in both of those projects. It was my persistence that paid off.

    As a fellow engineer I also think we make good husbands and fathers (and wives and mothers — my wife is an engineer as well). But I suppose we’re a bit biased…

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