Two reasons why Christians should not support public schools

From two stories. Here’s the first from the Alliance Defense Fund.

Excerpt:

Alliance Defense Fund attorneys filed a lawsuit Thursday on behalf of a student-led pro-life club against Independent School District #885 for denying the club, at St. Michael-Albertville High School, official status because it allegedly “does not support the student body as a whole.” Despite that claim, school officials have recognized more than a dozen other non-curricular clubs, including the Environmental and Animé clubs, providing them with benefits and access currently denied to the pro-life student group, known as the All Life Is Valuable (ALIV) Club.

[…]The principal of St. Michael-Albertville High School denied equal treatment to the ALIV Club and the local chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes even though District Policy 801 requires the district to grant equal access to student clubs wishing to meet for “religious, political, or philosophical reasons during non-instructional time.”

The ALIV Club addresses a variety of issues that students face, including those related to faith and religion, life, abortion, abstinence, personal responsibility, leadership, community service, peer pressure, promoting respect and dignity for all others, and examining governmental and political issues. Neither the ALIV Club nor FCA, however, receive any of the benefits enjoyed by more than a dozen other recognized non-curricular student clubs. Officially recognized clubs, such as the Diversity Club, Environmental Club, Animé Club, and Book Club are able to meet during a special club period, make announcements, and engage in fundraising activities, among other benefits.

When Democrats complain about needing more money for public schools, they want to take your money and use it against your children. They want to pound conservative Christian views out of your children, using your money, and replace those views with their secular leftist views.

Here’s the second story from Life Site News.

Excerpt:

The controversial Ontario English Catholic Teachers’ Association is building a $3 million war chest on the backs of all its member to defeat the province’s Progressive Conservative Party in the upcoming fall election.

The 45,000-strong union, whose leadership has become infamous for advancing causes opposed to Catholic teaching, voted at its annual general meeting in Toronto last month to force every member to pay an extra $60 towards its political campaign.  The fee takes effect July 1st.

Teachers have refused to comment publicly on the powerful union’s activities out of fear of retaliation.  But one teacher told LifeSiteNews, under condition of anonymity, that he’s disappointed they’re taking $60 “for a campaign that I don’t really agree with in the first place.”

“I’ve got to vote in conscience always.  If I voted Liberal, it wouldn’t be in conscience,” he said.  “It comes down to what’s the greater good here.”

The campaign aims to “protect the gains” made in education since Dalton McGuinty’s Liberals took office eight years ago, OECTA union president James Ryan wrote in a March 23rd letter to union members.  He said delegates left the AGM “acutely aware of how the election of a Conservative government under Tim Hudak would threaten the common good, particularly education.”

The union has long used portions of the mandatory dues, which already can amount to nearly $1,000 per year, to fund a range of activities violating Catholic teaching.  In December, LifeSiteNews revealed that OECTA provided funding to Egale, a leading homosexual lobby group, to promote gay-straight alliances in Catholic schools – in opposition to the Ontario bishops.

[…]Vouchers and charter schools, in particular, are initiatives aimed at promoting parental choice in education as an alternative to current teachers’ union dominated public education monopolies. There is also a growing trend in North America to question the automatic pay scales based on seniority and degrees that public system teachers receive, rather than on regularly assessed personal skills or merit.According to the Canadian Centre for Policy Studies, a conservative think-tank, OECTA’s partisan fee shows the need for reform of Ontario’s labour laws.  “Regardless of what political party stands to gain, forcing workers to support partisan political activity of any kind is a fundamental violation of their individual rights and profoundly undemocratic,” said president Joseph Ben-Ami.

“Giving unions the power to force workers to join, or to pay dues even if they aren’t forced to join, is a recipe for abuse and corruption,” he added. “The law needs to recognize and respond to this.”

You can’t even be a teacher in Canada without joining a union. The unions use union dues to elect Liberal (socialist) and NDP (communist) candidates. Christians should always vote for right-to-work laws to deny power and money to the public schools. Public schools don’t represent your values. They represent their values. With your money.

23 thoughts on “Two reasons why Christians should not support public schools”

    1. Liberals are most often communists because only communist government will cater for their ideals. Smaller government and free market turn people more conservative and family oriented.

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  1. I would really love it if I could NOT support public schools; unfortunately, since they finance them out of my property tax, I have no choice. If I rented, part of that rent would be for the landlord to pay the tax!

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  2. Glenn, did you go to public school? Wintery? What was your experience?

    I went to an excellent public school, one of the best in the state, thanks to property taxes, which my parents paid along with all the other parents in the community. So I’m a fan.

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    1. Yes, I went to public school, from 1958 through 1970. Back then we still celebrated Christmas and Thanksgiving as Christian holidays. We even sang Christian songs. Evolution was taught, of course, but just passed over as part of science (my family were not Christians) By the time I was in High School sex education was still separate classes for boys and girls, and they still taught that it was best to wait for marriage. By the time my kids were in school from the mid-1980s, school had become indoctrination centers. Evolution strongly pushed, the “gay” agenda pushed, sex education became sex instruction, DARE programs, Federal government entanglements, self-esteem agenda, teams instead of individual work, grade inflations, etc,etc, etc. We pulled out of public school when my daughter was in 8th grade and my son 5th. They were both in “accelerated” classes, taking courses in their next grade level. We spent a year in a very expensive Lutheran school which had a Catholic Science teacher pushing evolution, using state textbooks, and really not a whole lot of difference. So we pulled out after that one year and home-schooled to the end.

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  3. Teaching evolution isn’t an issue for me, though I suspect it’s v. important to you. Is that the basis on which you judge good vs. not?

    As for the schools I attended, my public HS is ranked among the top 85 schools in NYState by US News and World Report. High graduation and college acceptance rate, and, from a kid’s perspective, terrific writing, sports, arts and music programs (which is what I was mainly interested in then). But that was a while ago. So I suspect, it’s different than it was when I graduated, but still ranked very highly.

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    1. All schools teach evolution. But when you get one that makes it a goal to indoctrinate with evolution and make fun of Christians – which we had, and which had me in the principle’s office often and once with the superintendent of the town – then there is a problem. We had teachers claiming Adam & Eve were not fully human!

      I think government schools nowadays spend too much money of frivolous things and programs; they have forgotten to teach the basics and spend to much time on indoctrination of left-wing policies. They also are trying to take over too much from parents. They keep wanting to make school start earlier and earlier (Iowa is wanting mandatory pre-school so parents don’t have to pay to have their kids watched when they are at work!!!!). But they waste so much time and are out so often, and then they have to have longer school years.

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  4. Well, as the saying goes, I don’t have a dog in this fight (no kids in school). Can’t disagree with what you say: Christian bashing is a kind of sport in many places, but not all places. I just don’t know how prevalent it is in schools like the ones you’re referring to, so I should really recuse myself. I think my only point is that I had a good experience in public school and many public schools can prepare kids well for college, which is what I think they should do. Teach them to be good students and to treat others as they themselves would want to be treated.

    As to the moral side of things, the best place to learn that is at home and perhaps home schooling is the best place to get that for some families. I was a dedicated Sunday School pupil and my mom was a Sunday School teacher and I was a really obedient kid. So I was able to resist a lot of pressures that other kids face because I knew the difference between right and wrong and I took that wherever I went.

    if I was a parent, I’d try and raise my kid the same way, but it’s all speculative since I don’t have any. The last thing I’ll say, though, is that I don’t think kids can be raised in a bubble. They need to be out in the world the way ships need to be out on the ocean, not anchored in a safe harbor. Again, though, I say that without ever having raised any.

    I guess, though, my main concern with home schooling is that kids need to know how to deal with many people of varying opinion and experience or they will go out into the world and not know how to navigate it except by cordoning themselves off. Our country seems to be fragmented into a lot of separate groups without the means to operate in the common interest of anyone. That’s all. I’m not saying home schooling does that to kids, but if I have a single concern, that’s pretty much it.

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    1. It really depends on the family doing the home-schooling. Some are very cultic and isolationist, while we were not. Too many people say home-schooling makes children socially inept, when in reality the public school does that by isolating kids with their peers. Home-schooling has all age levels together and they learn to socialize with other than peers. Other activities help this quite a bit; e.g. I began learning the bagpipes with a band when my daughter was 4 and son 1. A few months later my wife began learning Highland dance with a troupe associated with the band. When our daughter was about five or six she started dancing. We weren’t homeschooling until she was 14 and our son was 11, so she was performing with the band and adults dancers for quite a while before my son at 12 took up the snare drum and was the youngest in the band. In his drum section the next youngest was almost 20 and the rest of the drummers were in their 30s and 40s. By the time a year had gone by our son had excelled to where he was made 2nd in command of the drum section and he had to work with all these adults and leader over them. Talk about learning social skills! Performing in public at many, many events from then on helped them to be much more mature than their peer-oriented public school companions.

      Home-school is all what you make it to be, but I will admit that in my experience over the past almost 20 years with home-schoolers, they can have some of the most legalistic and aberrational beliefs of any Christians – it seems to be endemic with Christian home-schooling, which is another factor giving a bad rap to them. But, at least they aren’t rampant sex maniacs!

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      1. “Too many people say home-schooling makes children socially inept, when in reality the public school does that by isolating kids with their peers.”

        100% agree. And I would only homeschool to age 12. At that point, they need to be in private schools. The problem is that I am forced to spend all this money on public schools that I will never use.

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        1. WK, get over it. I spend that money on public schools and I will never use it either. Neither will I use the jails that my taxes pay for, or know personally any of the soldiers whose salaries and equipment are provided by my tax dollars. I don’t have a car, so the bridges and roads are kind of unimportant to me, too. As are the public golfcourses (I am not a golfer). Etc etc.

          Why don’t you just move into one of those adults only communities where children aren’t allowed and you can be a grumpy old curmudgeon and count your pennies in peace? Is that really what it’s all about? And aren’t you leaving God out of the picture by failing to be grateful for the opportunity you have to reach out in love to your neighbors? Perhaps to a stranger?

          As for me, my life is enriched by living in a community that families with children can afford. And that means public schools and playgrounds etc funded by my tax dollars. And let’s recall the two commandments that Jesus specifically said were important (Love God, and the second is like unto it: thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself). As a Christian, I hear you talk about God, but never your neighbor. It’s like you resent everyone except those closest to you. What’s up with that??

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  5. ‘They need to be out in the world the way ships need to be out on the ocean, not anchored in a safe harbor’

    Maybe it’s better for smaller vessels to stay in calmer waters, just so they don’t get blown around by every storm and perhaps make shipwreck?

    There’s plenty of time for facing those trials later on, once they grow into strong ocean goers….and it can’t be a bad thing to know where your safe anchorage is, can it?

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    1. This is what it means for Christian parents to be forced to pay for public schools so that they have no money left over to send their children to private schools:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349816/School-children-taught-homosexuality-celebrate-gay-community.html

      Public schools are not a problem for those who haven’t read the Bible, and they aren’t a problem for those who haven’t read peer-reviewed literature on the gay lifestyle and gay relationships.

      For example:
      http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

      And:
      http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_notinthebest.html

      And it’s not just the gay lifestyle – I am opposed to public schools indoctrinating children with ANY sexual values. That is the parent’s job, not the school’s job. The public schools are controlled by feminists and the vast majority of the teachers are feminists. They have an agenda of wanting to sexualize children by normalizing pre-marital sex and abortions, thereby undermining stable opposite-sex marriages. I consider that an anti-child agenda, and I don’t want my children exposed to it, and I don’t want to PAY for it. I understand that Planned Parenthood donates to Democrats who then push sex education into the schools, which increases the number of unplanned pregnancies, so that Planned Parenthood can profit from the murders of innocent children. But I don’t want to fund either the public schools, or Planned Parenthood, because I am pro-child, pro-family, pro-innocence and pro-life. I believe in the Bible so I accept the prohibitions on fornication and murder. Some people DON’T believe the Bible so they have no problem with teaching fornication and murder to little children.

      And it’s not just on moral issues that the public schools fail – it’s on teaching the basics:
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303362404575580221511231074.html

      Now if you don’t care about children, either academically or morally, then public schools are fine, and everyone who prefers them should be able to pay for them with their own money or with a voucher granted by the government on a PER CHILD basis. That way, parents like me who don’t want their children to be unskilled at match, science, etc. and who don’t want their children indoctrinated with propaganda from special interest groups who reject the Bible will be able to go to different schools.

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    2. I’m not opposed to home schooling. I just don’t think it’s right for everyone. It takes a very specific family structure (a stay at home parent, for one). And a lot of stay at home parents aren’t present enough to be able to do it well, if at all. That’s why I get a little uncomfortable with the idea that everyone should home school. It’s just not possible.

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  6. So you are using an article about public schools in the UK to make a blanket generalization about public schools in the US, where you pay taxes as a single man who admittedly won’t ever marry because of “policies” with which you disagree.

    You are quite the creative writer, WK! But scientific…no.

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  7. As a home schooling parent, I just have to step into this one. ;-) Actually, horror of horrors, I’m not just a home schooler, but an “unschooler.” We’ve never followed a set curriculum, nor have we ever used grade levels, other than as something to put down for the registration paperwork.

    I happen to be in Alberta, which is one of the few provinces that reroutes the funding that would go into public schools to home schooled students and the boards they’re registered with. (I’ve hs’d in 3 different provinces.) This is a double edged sword. So far, we have a government that fully supports parents and parental autonomy, but whenever funding is involved, there’s a danger of the “powers that be” using to to control parents. Some school boards have been misleading parents into thinking they “must” do things a certain way (ie: school-at-home only) or enforcing curriculum. This is true even in provinces that don’t provide funding. There’s no end of special interest groups that would force parents to teach according to their desires, whether it’s teachers groups that want only certified teachers to be allowed to hs, or that gay couple in BC that developed a curriculum they want the provincial government to force hs’ers to use as well as the public schools. It’s a constant battle for hs’ing parents to keep their rights as parents to educate their children as they see fit. Our school board (which is a hs only board that just happens to also be a Catholic board) is amazing when it comes to standing up for their parents against government interferance.

    “And I would only homeschool to age 12.”

    Why? I’ve never been able to understand that one. Some teens do choose to go to school, either public or private, but it’s hardly necessary, nor beneficial. As children grow older, they are prefectly capable of slowly taking on their own education. My kids have never gone to school. My oldest just turned 18 and has been in total control of her own education for the last year, and almost total control for even longer. On her own, she’s taken on far more than I would even have thought of, never mind tried to enforce. She’s currently focusing on turning her passion for art into a business (she’s already a professional artist), networking with other artists who are already doing so and setting herself defined goals to accomplish this. My youngest isn’t there yet, but she doesn’t have far to go.

    As a parent, there’s always a tendancy to second guess our decisions and wonder if we made the right ones. In the last while, both my girls have gone out of their way to thank me and my husband not only for hs’ing them, but for parenting them the way we have. They didn’t always like the way we did things, but now that they’re older, they’ve come to understand why and appreciate them. It’s been a joy and a pleasure to watch them grow and blossom into the independant young women they are today.

    Having said that, I agree with some comments above. Hs’ing isn’t right for everyone, though not necessarily for the reasons mentioned.

    Through some weird quirk, in all the provinces we’ve lived in, we’ve somehow managed to find ourselves surrounded by hs’ing families that are far-left politically, and less than accepting of traditional Christian relgions. (In fact, their most enthusiastic expressions of gratitude for us parenting them the way we have has been after spending time with some of these hs’ing families.) I have yet to meet the stereotypical religious/conservative hs’ing family, even among the few I’ve known that *are* both religious and conservative.

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