A gay man and a lesbian decide to have a child through IVF

From the UK Telegraph.

Excerpt:

Seven years ago, when Sabrina Morgan, 33, was single and desperate for a child, she found herself chatting to Kam Wong, 41, a gay man who was longing to be a father, in an online fertility forum. ‘I instantly thought he was genuine, down-to-earth, laidback and flexible,’ says Sabrina.

‘We exchanged pictures. It wasn’t about sexual attraction, obviously, but it was important what he looked like. I asked him if he had any history of baldness and loose teeth. It was part humour but it was also my way to steer towards more serious questions, like does he have any genetic health conditions.’

For Kam, who is in a long-term relationship, contacting Sabrina was about more than being a sperm donor: ‘I adore children. The desire to have my own has always been with me. Because of my sexuality I thought it might never happen. The urge grew stronger in my thirties until one day I researched options. When I met Sabrina I was very nervous. This was my chance to fulfil my dreams.’

It took Sabrina six years to conceive through IVF. By then she had met Kirsty Slack, 37, who is now her romantic partner. Sabrina and Kirsty live together and are Zaide’s primary carers. Kam visits weekly, which will increase as Zaide gets older.

Kam and Sabrina are one of the growing number of couples in so-called ‘co-parenting’ relationships – biological parents who have a close but platonic relationship and both contribute to child-rearing . Co-parenting isn’t just for the gay community. Straight men and women are choosing to put romance aside in the name of reproduction.

[…]Catherine, 41, met Steve, 39, on the website [xyz]. He is gay and she has been single for two years. He lives in London for his job as an analyst but will join Catherine in Swansea if and when he gets her pregnant, through artificial insemination (AI).

It isn’t that Catherine doesn’t want to find love but that she wants a child more: ‘I’ve stopped looking for a partner. Of course I need love, but I can have a partner at any age. I can only have a child now,’ she says.

[…]Catherine started her online search after a break-up from a three-year relationship with a man who didn’t want children. ‘I’d just turned 39 and thought, “I don’t have time for this to happen again.” In a worst-case scenario I would seek an anonymous donor, but I’ve always thought a child needs a father. At the very least I wanted a donor who would visit regularly.’

Catherine chatted to Steve for a month online before meeting: ‘When I saw him my heart jumped. I thought, “Finally it’s going to happen!” I was happy for him to stay in London, but he wanted to be fully involved. Now I’m helping him find a job in Swansea.’

If Catherine conceives they plan to live together for a trial period: ‘We know we could end up like a bickering couple. If so we will live separately. I have friends with small children – I could see how hard it would be for me to live alone. Who would go out to get nappies and milk if I ran out?’

Mary actually found this post for me on the Boundless web site, where she found these two comments.

A very bad man: (Bryan)

We can condemn surrogacy by a single man or woman all we want. But at the end of the day, NO ONE can deny the fact that the biological urge to reproduce is strong and sometimes defy reason.

I do understand that young man’s desire to have a biological baby because to be honest, I feel that way myself. Boundless readers may want to condemn people like us but let it be known that there are people who, confronted with such a strong biological urge, have no choice but conduct surrogacy with a woman in India. I must admit, although I am a man and not a woman, I still long to hold the tiny fingers of a helpless baby in my hands, gaze at the cute eyes of mini-me and caress the soft baby skin in my arms. It is just natural. Boundless readers, if you want to condemn single young men with desires like me, go ahead. But let it be known that people like me exist but are just keeping quiet (until now, of course).

Men aren’t supposed to talk like that – they are supposed to protect children from the selfishness of predators. Not ruin the child’s life because of their own selfishness. It’s completely backwards.

A very good woman: (Kim)

My heart just breaks for men in our society (American). How horrible to always be faced with low expectations, being made fun of, thought of as the unneccessary “moron”… How wrong!

For what it is worth, a man who is willing to fight against culture and strives to be a man of honor and respect- with everything that entails- certainly commands my respect.

What a sad, sad society we have become. I feel for that child and the emotional and mental anguish he will feel. Read any literature on abuse and at the very least this arrangement will leave this child open for abuse via a low self esteem. Can you imagine being passed back and forth when it is convenient for your parents? Getting older and finding out you were a child of convenience and want, want in a selfish form and not a giving form?

I think it’s important for Christians to connect issues like this to their Christian worldview. Instead of tolerating and excusing every sin to make people like us, we should take a step back and ask ourselves if the Bible might not be correct when it prohibits certain conduct as sinful.  Obviously selfish atheists are going to want to blur the lines of morality, redefining it so that chastity, fidelity and sobriety are out, but yoga, recycling and vegetarianism are in. But there is no reason that we have to go along with them. We should be on the side of the children. The new generation of secularists have turned their backs on chastity, courting and traditional self-sacrificial marriage. Now they are struggle to desperately grasp for their happiness, no matter how much harm they cause to innocent children. Let’s tell them that some things are wrong.

3 thoughts on “A gay man and a lesbian decide to have a child through IVF”

  1. This is just plain wrong, but the sad part is that it is we who would be labeled as intolerant for pointing this out. However I do like talking with people about “tolerance” and “intolerance” especially with thise who try to redefine these terms.

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  2. Allow me to elaborate on a point that I have noticed in many discussions with relativists / secularists.

    It is very important to have data as well as high personal / moral guidelines & behavior. The great thing about the bible besides bad/nasty behavior being a sin – it carries negative consequences. In other words, the bible was right all along.

    Here are a couple suggestions for one that should suffice and hopefully diffuse the “tone” and the direction.

    Btw, this is type of argument John used in condemning Herod actions but not the person:

    Herod had imprisoned John because he reproved Herod for divorcing his wife and unlawfully taking, the wife of his brother.

    This is type of argument that can used – “Its against the law”. In addition – one can use morals and personal preference ( I call it the “YUCK” factor).

    Premise – America 1st Amendment is the right to free speech

    Minor premise –
    Establishment of religion, Meaning, Free exercise of religion
    ,Freedom of speech, Speech critical of the government, Political speech, Anonymous speech, Campaign finance, Flag desecration, Free speech zone, Commercial speech, School speech, Obscenity, Libel, slander, and private action, Libel and slander etc…

    Here you go:
    – Should it be illegal to express your viewpoint ?
    – Should it be legal to punish people who have a viewpoint different than others ?

    Here is a example :

    I want my child to eat only chocolate or vanilla ice cream ice cream and I dont want my child to have any neapolitan ice cream(expressed my viewpoint).
    Should I be punished for expressing that I don’t want my child to have neapolitan ice cream ? (punished for different viewpoint ?)

    For fun – Lets make it real world:

    Should a USA citizen be denied his first amendments rights for having a viewpoint ?
    Should a USA citizen be punished for having a different opinion ?

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  3. WK – I really appreciate the insight, information, and website. It has been a lifesaver more that you know.It has really helped me quite a bit in terms of critical thought, logic, and apologetics in the secular world.

    When discussing “hot topics” like this, people have a tendency to get emotional and the communication stopsDo you have any suggestions/insight on building a argument based on premise, minor premise, conclusion as to move opposing parties gradually vs going the throat and this shutting down communication ?

    Many thanks !!!

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