Here’s a post from The Poached Egg.
Excerpt:
My seven year old son, Jeremiah, a first grader, was doing some homework the other day and was thinking out loud. “Two plus two equals four”, I overheard him say. This piqued my interest a bit and I decided to throw him a curveball.
“Son, two plus two equals five”, I said, to which he responded, “No it doesn’t.”
I decided to take things a little further and said, “But Son, I truly and sincerely believe that two plus two equals five. Doesn’t that mean I’m right?”
Without missing a beat, his reply was only a simple, “Nope”.
Although I was beginning to become concerned that I might be teaching him that ‘Dad may not always be right’, I decided to sacrifice that myth on the altar of truth and roll with it. I then asked him, “Son, what if me and a whole lot of other people really believe that two plus two equals five, and that it might offend us and hurt our feelings that other people like you might think that we’re wrong; can’t you just let be true for us and let ‘two plus two equal four’ for you?”
Another “Nope”.
“Why not?” I asked.
“Because two plus two equals four!” He replied with stern conviction. I was now determined to take it even further.
“Son, what if you were the only person in the world who believed that two plus two equals four? Would you still be right?”
He looked up at me from his seat at the table with his trademark big grin and gave me a very confident, “Yes!”
“How come?” I asked?
“Because two plus two equals four!”, he replied again, but this time in a manner which implied that his patience with my line of questioning was wearing thin.
Again, I asked, “How come?”
To which he replied, “Because it just does!”
He goes on to explain that he is getting his child used to the idea that if something is true, then the people who don’t believe it are wrong, and it doesn’t matter how they feel about it. Since the author knows about apologetics, he will be able to give arguments for thinking that Christianity is true as the child grows up. That’s one way to build up your kids – get them used to the idea that truth doesn’t always make everyone like you. And that truth is more important than feelings or community.
I have a friend Andrew who does a fine job of preparing his children for their future roles as effective, influential Christians. One way he does this is by building up their ability to say no to obvious lies. He sits at the table with his kids and points at a glass of milk and then claims that it is a glass of orange juice. The child denies that it is and a fight ensues, with Andrew trying hard to get the child to just go along with his lies, and the child resisting. It’s very important for children to have the sense that if something is true, then they don’t have to change their view to make anyone feel better. This principle is helpful when dealing with aggressive people or offended people.
I’m not sure I agree with the basic presupposition behind the title of the post. Are you sure that there is a biblically and theologically sound case for thinking that parents can ENSURE whether their children have ‘an enduring faith’?
Especially for you looking from an Arminian perspective, no matter what the upbringing each child will ultimately (allegedly) have a choice of whether to choose Christ or not, and so parents can’t really ensure anything because the choice ultimately lies with the child. Right?
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NO! I am not saying that! It’s just a guideline!
But yes, I agree with you that if Calvinism is true, life is meaningless, and it doesn’t matter what you do since God decides if you are saved or not, and nothing you do can contribute one way or the other. It’s a big puppet show! But I’m not Calvinist.
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Wow, so I guess that means that if the Bible is true then life is meaningless then!
I guess that means you just don’t like the Bible! ;P
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Oh, let me be mean once in a while… I’m allowed!
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Don’t worry I was being mean too!
I was equating rejecting calvanism with rejecting the Bible itself ;P
Which actually could be true on one level….
I used a WLC-esque molinist but God has slowly decreed for me to have calvinistic leanings!
I realized that my molinist views was based more on a personal, subjective dislike for calvanistic propositions, sometimes dressed up in elegant philosophical reasoning with VERY little positive scriptual support.
My arminianism was 90% ‘reasoning’ and 10% scriptually based, and my calvanist leanings are 90% scriptually based and 10% reason based…cos I still don’t like calvanism too much!
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Wow so many typos in that comment…sorry!
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I like this kid! :D His dad’s pretty smart too.
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This is good, but there’s one more step (and it is the most important, something I didn’t realize for a very long time): fine, be right, be correct, be logical, but say it well, say it with grace, say it with the high and fine art of rhetoric.
This, by the way, is why Wintery always ends up ticking off (some of) his readers ;) . Rhetoric, in the classical sense, is the acme of apologetics (cf. Craig, William Lane).
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Yeah… Like when he caricatures Calvinism for a cheap shot. [raised eyebrow at WK]
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don’t worry i cheap shotted him back! ;)
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;-)
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