Bad news for social conservatives in Sweden and Quebec

First, in Sweden, the socialists want to ban homeschooling.


The Swedish Association for Home Education (ROHUS) is asking for support from the international community to stop an attempt by the Swedish government to outlaw homeschooling. The new legislation argues that because a child’s education should be “comprehensive and objective” it must be “designed so that all pupils can participate, regardless of what religious or philosophical” views of parents or children.

When you give the government your money, you give up the right to choose. If you keep your money, you keep your right to choose. If you think that the government should take your money and then provide you with services like health care, education, welfare, therapy, etc., then you just gave up your right to choose. You gave up your liberty for security.

I think that Christians give their money away thinking that the government will act in their own best interests. That is, that a secular government will act in the interests of Christians. Maybe Christians think that their interests lie in “helping the poor”, and that a big government is needed to do that. But when government gets that money, they will use it in ways that cannot possible be as good as you would use it yourself.

Let me be clear. If you are a Christian, and you give money to government to take care of you, then you cannot complain with a secular government bans homeschooling or outlaws voucher programs. Obama isn’t going to take your money and defend homeschooling or create voucher programs. He was elected with the help of teacher unions, who are opposed to any education provider other than government-run schools.

The time to act in your own best (Christian) interests was when you still had the money in your hand. Don’t give your money to the government because they tell you some sob story about taxing the rich and helping the poor! What they really want to do is to take your money and pay off their political donors, like abortion providers, trial lawyers and unions. They cannot possible spend the money as well as you could have spent it yourself.

Christians need to be fiscal conservatives. They need to learn economics. They need to think with their heads when voting.

Quebec schools impose same-sex parenting curriculum

Same-sex marriage activists always ask the same question, “how does allowing me to marry hurt you?”. I don’t think they are interested in an answer, but here is one answer. When the government decides that marriage is what we call a bunch of people having sex and living together, then there is no reason to prefer traditional marriage in the schools. And the curriculum will be modified to reflect that.

And this is what is happening in Quebec.


The Quebec Ministry of Education has funded the development and implementation of training for primary school teachers promoting inclusiveness for families with same-sex parents, and will be implementing it in Montreal and Quebec City, reports Le Journal de Quebec.

Estimated to have cost the province between $50,000 and $80,000, the training involves a three-hour session for teachers on location, with a kit of materials including videos, brochures, and activity books for students.  According to Manon Boivin of la Coalition des familles homoparentales (the ‘Coalition of Same-Sex Families’), who is training the teachers, “It’s almost a recipe book with all the ingredients to make of our schools schools that are inclusive and more open.”

Boivin, who herself has a 5-year-old daughter and raises her with her same-sex partner, commented: “Often, in the face of homophobic insults, teachers do not know what to say….We will make an offensive to inform the schools.”

This is similar to the first story. Well meaning Christians feel that poor people should not be excluded from health care or education. So they hand the government their own money and ask government to take over health care and education. It’s “compassion” for the poor. And then the government does take over these things – but in a secular way.

The government is not going to spend your money that you gave them on things that are in keeping with your religious values. They were elected by certain groups, and they must reward those groups. If you want the freedom to teach your children what you believe, don’t vote for bigger government and higher taxes. Don’t vote for things like single-payer health care and environmental regulations.

And stop hating wealthy people and big corporations! The government is much, much worse than either of those two – the wealthy people and big corporations can’t ban you from homeschooling your kids and they can’t forcibly indoctrinate your children in views you don’t hold. Only government can do that! Think! Don’t give them your money, don’t let them take care of you. Handle it yourself!

8 thoughts on “Bad news for social conservatives in Sweden and Quebec”

  1. The law in Sweden seems like it is intended to be a way to ensure a standard of education. You know, having kids obtain a decent education in science, history and the humanities without things like special creation or a 6000 year old universe cluttering things their minds.
    Parents would be free to teach their children about religion when they return from getting their secular education each day ;-)


  2. I wonder if there’s any studies which show homeschooled children underperform in areas like sciene, history, and the humanities to support what you say, Havok…

    Oh, look what I found:

    Click to access achievement.pdf

    In looking around, I couldn’t find anything demonstrating the opposite, can you?

    For that matter, are you aware that homeschooled students are by no means outside the system, and must complete the federally mandated tests at the same point in their education that public school students do, and they must past graduation exams to demonstrate sufficient required knowlege.


  3. I was simply pointing out what I felt to be religious reasons for homeschooling, as seems to be demonstrated by many evangelicals in the US.

    I see the research was conducted by an organisation which has a large vested interest in the results. Perhaps we should track down the actual paper and assess the methods used :-)

    And, I’m in Australia, and home schooling isn’t a big deal here.


  4. Right, good for you for noting the sourcing. I did too, which is why I looked for anything to the contrary. Did you find anything? Last I checked, not carring for the sourcing doesn’t give cause to dismiss it, though it can certainly cast doubts. I’d certainly feel free to examine anything you’d like to put forth.

    I know for example they’re doing pretty durn well in college entrance exams:

    And graduation rates:

    I know, biased sourcing again… but I just can’t seem to find ANYTHING based on numbers and evidence that shows homeschooling to be anything but great for children’s education.

    Gosh, even in Australia it seems to be working very well:

    On a side note, I’m curious: Do you have any children?

    I just ask, because I was searching to see if Wintery ever reviewed a book I’m reading by Dinesh D’Souza (What’s so Great About Christianity, it’s actually written for you Havok, and enjoys a favorable recommendation by Michael Shermer, atheist and publisher of Skeptic Magazine), and found this article linked:



    1. Nope, I didn’t look around for anything, as I was pretty happy making a snarky comment based solely upon my own opinion, about what would seem tobe a leading Religious cause of home schooling for evangelical Christians.

      Regardless of how well you do in entrance exams, if at the end of the day you believe scientific evidence supports special creation or a ~6,000 year old earth, then your education has failed you :-)


  5. You seem like someone who is personally commited to following the truth, wherever it leads. That is to say, you’d rather be right and go with the facts than hold on to dogmatically held assumption. Is that right?

    If that’s truly the case, then you may want to take the mentally rigorous step of understanding what people you disagree with claim from their own standpoint. That is to say, when you read Dawkins or Hitchens pull out a zinger equating and people who claim the earth is 6,000 years old, you should examine if it is so from the people they purport to be zinging. For example, can you demonstrate that a major Christian denomination has a requirement of belief in YEC as an article of faith? Does the bible say that? Do Christian scholars claim that?

    If you’re following the truth, and the truth is not in them, than it can do no harm. At the least, it should sharpen your stick a bit. As it is, you’re off the mark.

    As for special creation, I can go down a path that I think you can quickly concede: Can you prove scientifically that the supernatural doesn’t exist?


  6. James: Is that right?

    I hope so, else I’m living a lie :-)

    James: For example, can you demonstrate that a major Christian denomination has a requirement of belief in YEC as an article of faith?

    No idea really. I’d be surprised if there weren’t a number of denominations which require it, though perhaps they wouldn’t be major.
    I’m not arguing against Christian denominations, however, just individuals.

    James: Does the bible say that?

    Depending on interpretation, I have been informed that it does. Not explicitely, however literal 6 day creationists tend to claim the bible as informing us of the age of the universe.

    James: Do Christian scholars claim that?
    Should I track down some names, or can I just answer “Yes, some do”.

    James: As for special creation, I can go down a path that I think you can quickly concede: Can you prove scientifically that the supernatural doesn’t exist?

    Do you have convincing evidence that the supernatural does exist and interacts with the “natural”? If not, it seems the null hypothesis is simply to suspend belief (so we should be a-supernaturalists)


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