A liberal feminist comedian, her beliefs about God and how she formed them

Consider this article written by a liberal ex-Catholic woman whose 7-year-old daughter is an atheist.

First the biography of the author:

Carolyn Castiglia is a New York-based comedian/writer wowing audiences with her stand-up and freestyle rap. You may recognize her hip-hop alter ego Miss CKC from Comedy Central, VH1 and MTV2. Carolyn’s web vids have been nominated for an ECNY Award and featured in two issues of EW magazine. She’s appeared in TONYThe NY PostThe Idiot’s Guide to Jokes and Life & Style. You can find Carolyn’s writing elsewhere online at MarieClaire.com and The Huffington Post.

Look at what she wrote:

I was raised Catholic, and like most people my age who were raised Catholic, I no longer attend church on Sundays. We’re “recovering Catholics.” That’s what so many of us call ourselves. We’re still disgusted with the Church for the way it covered up the sex abuse perpetrated against my generation and roll our eyes at the Church’s stance on things like abortion, gay marriage and women’s rights.

[…]I learned a lot about being a Good Person from the things I heard in church… I wanted to be a Good Person, not just because only Good People go to Heaven. I just liked the idea. The meek shall inherit the Earth. It sounded right. Somehow all this sh*t I’m swallowing now, it’s gonna pay off later.

I’m pretty much agnostic now (sometimes believing more strongly, other times thinking the concept of God is kind of a joke), but I value the way the idea of God has gotten me through the rough patches. And that has been the payoff. Somehow this notion that there is a giant man in the sky with long hair and a big robe who will hug you from heaven if you need it and carry you on the beach when you’ve had one too many wine coolers to walk without falling down and getting sand all up in your bikini has been very comforting to me. The image of Jesus but as God but totally as a bro (a homeboy, if you will), there’s something righteous about it, if you know what I mean.

But the way I imagine God has changed over the years — He’s gone from being a person, a man, to being more of a Thing, a notion. Goodness. The Oneness of the Universe. With something female in there. The energy that keeps the whole thing afloat. God as I know it now when I know it is kind of a cocktail made from a shot of Buddhism, a shot of feminist activism and a splash of ginger ale (because that, my friends, is something you can always count on).

Now the Christians who are reading this will be cringing because we know that these beliefs are not taken out of the Bible. She seems to be speaking more about her opinions rather than what is true. She doesn’t seem to be focused on finding truth, but more on being a “good person” and having God as a crutch to pull out if she falls down while pursuing her own plan.

She’s wrong that “good people” go to Heaven. Only people who accept Jesus as their leader (Lord) and accept his death as a sacrifice for their rebellion against God (Savior) are resurrected to eternal life. If she is a relativist, then I guess what she means by being a “good person” is that she thinks of herself as good and that the people around her think of her as good. However, the main purpose of Christianity is not to be a good person, or to have people like you or to be happy and comforted.  The main goal of Christian living is to puzzle about the truth about God’s existence and character, and then to re-prioritize your life based on who Jesus is and what Jesus has done for us. So the focus in Christianity is on truth, and that’s what her church should have taught her from a young age. And we are the ones who must read the Bible, we must not rely on someone else to do it for us.

But there is more to her story – her child has been affected by her problematic views of Christianity and God.

She writes:

My daughter, on the other hand, at the ripe old age of 7, is convinced that there is no God. Not even a god. Yup, my kid’s an atheist. And she pretty much has been since she was 5.

It’s not for lack of exposure to God or god or even gods and spirituality, because she has attended Church and church and a UU “church” and it has made no impact. We’ve prayed together. I talk about God sometimes, in a good way. When I asked her recently why she doesn’t believe in God she told me, succinctly, “Because I know too much about science!”

Is it a good idea to take scientific advice from a 7-year-old child? I think that we should instead prefer to learn from scholars who research and debate issues in science and religion, and then teach the child based on what we have learned. This is why it was so important to emphasize how people arrive at true beliefs in the church. If she had done the work herself to arrive at true beliefs, then she would know what to say to her child’s presumptuousness.

More:

The other night over dinner my daughter looked up at me and said, “Who created the Earth?” And I said, “Well, some people believe that God created the Earth, and some people believe that nature is a creation unto itself.” My daughter replied, “I think nature is a creation unto itself.” I said, “You know, you’re pretty staunch about the fact that there is no God.” And she told me, “Well, I don’t think he exists. If he does, he’s a ghost, and that’s weird. I just don’t believe it. You know, there are Universes beyond our Universe. Once you get outside the Milky Way galaxy, there’s a lot more stuff out there.”

Wow. When I was 7 I didn’t know there was a world outside my town.

So the universe created itself? How could it create itself? It would have to have existed in order to do anything, including create. So it would have to have existed… before it began to exist. That’s a contradiction, and so it cannot be true. Funny how kids decide whether God exists or not without knowing what they are talking about. It’s the parents’ job to be able to guide the discussion, not just sit there.

She continues:

Oh sure, my mother thinks raising a child without religion is dangerous. “I understand you don’t think she needs God now, Carolyn. But you gotta give her religion so it’s there for her when she needs it later.” When the shit hits the fan, when everything falls apart. When you realize there is no one but God you can trust.

See, here is where she needs someone to point out that it’s not God’s job to help you through crises or make you happy. No one who reads the Bible thinks that God is our cosmic butler. We know from reading the Bible that he has purposes that are different from our purpose to be happy.

6 thoughts on “A liberal feminist comedian, her beliefs about God and how she formed them”

  1. We certainly can’t trust the wisdom of a 7-year-old atheist. On the other hand, I’m not sure we can trust the “scholars who research and debate issues in science and religion” either. That sounds like the chief priests and the scribes of the temple, who were hypocrites back then. Christ rebuked them, and he established a stronghold against his enemies through the praise of children and infants.

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  2. It’s kind of sad, she talks about the benefits of growing up within the church, of how she ” learned a lot about being a Good Person from the things I heard in church.” So there were a lot of positives, even more she probably takes for granted and isn’t even aware of. Then she turns around and pretty much brags about depriving her own child of those things and celebrating the kid’s atheism.

    I grew up with atheists parent and that is the kind of disconnect that still drives me nuts. Parents themselves benefited from the lifestyle, religion, faith, they grew up with and yet they seek to deprive their own kids of those things in the name of what? Defiance? To get revenge against the establishment? To heal their own wounds?

    As a kid in the hands of an atheist you often face more indoctrination and psychological abuse then many people imagine. Your parents don’t raise you as a human being with rights and needs of your own, they raise you as a trophy, an idol to their own non belief.

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      1. I’ve never been able to full understand it, but it’s a form of narcissism. People kids, the world, everything becomes an extension of their own rebellion, so what is good for other people, good for their child, becomes completely irrelevant. You see the same thing in feminism, a complete disconnect from what is actually good, beneficial to women, to the world around us.

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        1. narcissism is a good word.

          It seems that in modern western culture, there is the idea that rather than conforming to reality, that whatever you decide that you want reality will mold itself to your desires.

          Ironically, for a secular culture, ignoring reality seems like it would be a good method for evolution to weed people out of the gene pool.

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  3. “Well, I don’t think he exists. If he does, he’s a ghost, and that’s weird. I just don’t believe it. You know, there are Universes beyond our Universe. Once you get outside the Milky Way galaxy, there’s a lot more stuff out there.”

    Hmm, I don’t know what’s more disappointing – a 7 year old parroting scientistic materialism or that most rank-and-file internet infidel types sound like 7 year olds…

    On a serious note, I think this illustrates the importance of well-informed apologetics from pretty early on. I think we underestimate the intelligence of kids all too often. A pastor acquaintance of mine once told me that some basic apologetics (consisting of nothing evidential or classical as far as I could tell) would be only suitable for kids packing off to university.

    In my experience, sensible, valid reasons for the Christian faith are required much, much earlier. I effectively became an atheist aged 12 and was asking questions about reality much earlier than that. My 7-year old daughter is, likewise, also working through the question of God’s existence at an early age – without any prompting from me, might I add. My 5 year old is also floating intelligent questions.

    Parents and Christians in general really need to start thinking deeply on these issues so that they can offer their kids something substantive to reason with. Because if we don’t educate our children with an informed, balanced and intelligent worldview, then there is a long line of materialist fanatics who will be more than willing to do the job for us.

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