I found a deconversion testimony by an atheist on Prayson Daniel’s blog, and I thought it might be useful to take a look at it.
But first, I want to recap some reasons why people think that God exists.
- The kalam cosmological argument and the Big Bang theory
- The fine-tuning argument from cosmological constants and quantities
- The origin of life, part 1 of 2: the building blocks of life
- The origin of life, part 2 of 2: biological information
- The sudden origin of phyla in the Cambrian explosion
- Galactic habitable zones and circumstellar habitable zones
- Irreducible complexity in molecular machines
- The creative limits of natural selection and random mutation
- Angus Menuge’s ontological argument from reason
- Alvin Plantinga’s epistemological argument from reason
- William Lane Craig’s moral argument
- The unexpected applicability of mathematics to nature
In addition to these arguments for theism, Christians would make be some sort of minimal facts case for the resurrection, one that leverages the early creed in 1 Corinthians 15:3-7. And some sort of case for the early belief that Jesus was divine.
In addition to those positive evidences, there would be informed defenses to other questions like the problem of evil, the problem of suffering, religious pluralism, the hiddenness of God, materialist conceptions of mind, consciousness and neuroscience, the justice of eternal damnation, sovereignty and free will, the doctrine of the Incarnation, the doctrine of the Trinity, and so on.
I listed these out so that you can see how many of these positive arguments and defenses that he wrestles with in his deconversion testimony, which is linked below.
So here is the deconversion testimony.
And here are some revealing snippets, under headings.
Legalist upbringing
” Being baptists things were pretty legalistic growing up.”
Anti-intellectual parents
His parents tell him: “This is the bible and its truth can’t be debated. It is what it is.”
Piety rather than apologetics
“Most of my young life I was “that” religious kid. You know him. He’s awkward looking with coke bottle glasses and horrendous hair and triple hand me down clothes. I told random kids on the bus that I would pray for them and would be mocked in return.”
Peer disapproval
“I told random kids on the bus that I would pray for them and would be mocked in return. One time I even got jumped while fishing and once they started punching me I didn’t even fight back, “turn the other cheek” was being said in my mind over and over. I got the crap kicked out of me and several months of ridicule at school over getting such a beating.
I think the most embarrassing time for me was in 8th grade science class when one kid started calling me a “bible beater” while the teacher was out of the room. He then got the entire class to mock and laugh at me. It wasn’t fun. In fact, it sucked.”
Deconversion prior to serious study of the evidence
“I think it was around 9th grade that my apathy for religion and god really started to set it. Being honest with myself I didn’t want to be the kid that got mocked anymore.”
Ineffective church leadership
“We’d laugh at our peers that were so moved by the message told by the church leaders… Everything I was seeing my peers do could easily be chalked up to a group or mob mentality. A psychological effect of emotions.”
I agree with him about this one, the church generally does nothing to form a Christian worldview, even though they have years and years to do it. And they are quite proud of this “focus on the gospel”, even as kids drop Christianity as soon as they hear intellectual objections to it in college.
Self-focus / autonomy
“The fact that our purpose of living was the blow smoke up the skirt of a god that will damn us to hell.”
Theological determinism
“The thought that a god with a plan can’t/won’t/doesn’t listen to your prayers because if your prayer isn’t in line with his plan then it goes unheard or unanswered.”
Bible difficulties
“God set up Adam and Eve for failure in the Garden of Eden. If he really didn’t want us to “fall from grace” then the tree never would have been there. He would’ve stopped the serpent from deceiving Adam and Eve. He would’ve equipped Adam and Eve with the knowledge of deceit so they could recognize when they’re being lied to.”
God’s job is to make us happy and healthy
“God would have either have had a direct hand in creating hell or allowing satan to create it with his knowledge. God created the rules by which people go to hell. He damns billions of people there. Is that love? Is that moral? Is that just?”
Accuracate knowledge of God’s character and historical actions are less important than “being good”
“Anne Frank, a Jew, is in hell because she didn’t recognize Jesus as the Son of God, but Ted Bundy, a serial rapist and murderer, is in heaven because he accepted Jesus into his heart before dying on death row. Is that fair? Is that love? Is that moral? Is that just?”
Emotional problem of evil
His brother was killed in a motorcycle accident, and his view is that it’s God’s job to keep everyone alive and happy. So this guy is reading the story of Jesus and he is saying something like this to himself when he reads the Bible, “see, the founder of Christianity has all his needs met by God and he is happy all the time, and everyone likes him and he never, ever has anything bad happen to him that isn’t his fault”. The problem of evil is one of the most responded-to problems in Christian apologetics. He didn’t cite anyone who has responded to it.
Ignorance of how the Bible defines faith
“Faith is believing in something without evidence.”
So he doesn’t even know what the definition of faith is, according to the Biblical use of the term, where faith is trusting in something you know to be true because of the evidence, e.g. – because of the resurrection, say. That was Jesus’ model of getting people to have faith in him, but apparently you can attend church and come up with a different, postmodern notion of what the word means. A definition that is pleasing to all the people in church who are there for emotional comfort, and not for truth and knowledge. His definition of faith is more like the atheist definition of faith, like they say “I have faith in the multiverse” or “I have faith in aliens seeding the Earth with life” or “I have faith that God has no morally sufficient reason for permitting this instance of apparently gratuitous evil”. Atheists project their own irrational epistemology onto Christians.
Unfamiliarity with Christian scholarship
“After I realized that my friends and church leaders had no good responses to anything I was saying I started searching for good apologist books on the internet. A good book about a good reason for belief. I can’t effectively relay my shock at turning up nothing worth the paper it was printed on.”
The purpose of life is to feel happy
“I’d heard through a friend that an old acquaintance from our youth group was now an agnostic… His reply was straight forward in that he’d realized that he’d gained nothing from trying to understand, follow and love god. Since it was bringing nothing positive to his life he left it behind. He shared that we’re all trained as kids in church that we have a god shaped hole in our hearts, but that it wasn’t true. Here he was, 11 years after leaving christianity, at the happiest and most content point of his life. He told me it was okay to doubt.”
Reads simplistic books by atheists
“That book that would ultimately be one of the most revolutionary books in my life was “50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God.””
This book is a caricature of the reasons why people believe in God. I searched for the names of top Christian apologists, and there were none. No William Lane Craig, Hugh Ross, Gary Habermas, Michael Licona, Stephen C. Meyer, Mike Behe, etc. I took a look at the 50 arguments. They were generally re-phrasings of this “I’m stupid, so I’ll believe Christianity because it makes me happy”.
I clicked on the few that I thought might cite Christian scholars, but no Christian scholars were cited. For the chapter on “fine-tuning”, the author cited Ray Comfort. And his banana argument. In a chapter on fine-tuning. The chapter on intelligent design did not cite a single scholar, pro or con. ID was not even defined.
My conclusion
Well, I’ll leave the rest of his post to you. I did a quick search on the author’s blog for “William Lane Craig”, just to see, and found nothing. Then I did a search for “intelligent design”, and found nothing. Then I did a search for “minimal facts” and found nothing. His post on his journey to atheism is here. And let this testimony be a lesson to you parents and church leaders not to fail other Christians the way this guy’s parents and church leaders failed him. You should read the comments on his post, as well.
“And let this testimony be a lesson to you parents and church leaders not to fail other Christians the way this guy’s parents and church leaders failed him…”
I agree with you, there are a lot of problems within churches and Christianity, but on the other hand I’m starting to believe that personal responsibility has to play a role. Even scripture speaks to a falling away that will happen.
Perhaps I just get cranky with those who were raised in Christian homes, benefited tremendously from Christian values, and Western security, who then try to pretend they’re making some sort of intellectual decision to reason away the existence of God. Half the time there’s nothing intellectual about it, it’s just simple pride and an attempt to blame it on other Christian’s imperfections.
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Ahem….why blame the parents and the church without any evidence? Perhaps you could give them be benefit of the doubt and not take everything he says at face value, since you just spend a fair amount of time demonstrating that he didn’t exert a lot of thought in his decision making process….
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I’m not reading his blog. I’ve already heard enough from people who try to justify their decision to walk away from faith with psuedo-intellectual reasoning.
It sounds to me like he really wasn’t trying very hard. From beginning to end, this screed is riddled with a faulty understanding of what Christianity teaches. Turn the other cheek doesn’t mean “stand there and get beat up.” He was utterly unprepared to deal with demonic attacks from people who don’t believe – who mock & ridicule. He was unprepared to give any rational defense of the faith.
And Jesus never suffered, people always liked Him? What? What Bible was this guy reading?
Unbelievable. It’s like it says in 1 John 2:19, “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”
There’s no such thing as a “former” Christian. To experience the true nature of God’s grace and life-changing power – and then voluntarily walk away from that because some Darwinist or whatnot asked a question you couldn’t answer? Sorry, not buying it.
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I responded to an atheist once who actually quoted “The DaVinci Code” as a scholarly source. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
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Thats actually better than not quoting any source, which is what I get most often.
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But it’s still embarrassing to have to remind them that it’s FICTION masquerading as history, fiction that can be undone by simply googling it.
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I was reading one yesterday where an atheist quoted the OT from the KJV because they though it was the most authentic translation from the original Greek. The wouldn’t acknowledge the original Hebrew at all.
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I’ve experienced that myself, like when they cherry-pick the modern translation of Deuteronomy 22:28, some of which have rendered it (inaccurately IMHO) as “rape”, and you try to get them to attempt to differentiate it from what is described in 22:25-27, their minds simply cannot go there because they’re dedicated to a position, a position that defies reason and logic. It’s depressing.
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As for the structure of his story it follows the same pattern as any other attempt at persuasive storytelling. What you were like before being an atheist, what changed your life and how is your life more positive now. We could easily swap the unfulfilled Christian role with an unfulfilled atheist and the fulfilled atheist with the fulfilled Christian. Actually C.S. Lewis, J Warner Wallace and many others have lived that story. My life would fit if we contrasted an unfulfilled agnostic with a fulfilled Christian. He throws in a few ‘poor me’ episodes while he was a Christian to contrast the ‘positives of being an Atheist’. I think he was trying to make Christianity look repressive but he actually comes across as being self-centered with the typical teenage conflicts with parents. He also contrasts the lack of information before rejecting Christianity with the pursuit of knowledge as an atheist. The problem with that approach is that it really doesn’t contrast Christianity and atheism; it only contrasts his life choices and his intellectual worldviews. I find it hard to believe with all the Christian apologetic books and sites out there that he cannot find anything that helped or countered the atheist arguments.
It looks as if he either didn’t have an actual relationship with God (possibly just riding on his parent’s beliefs) or it was very dysfunctional by the 9th grade. That in no way reflects on Christians with a real and loving relationship with God. His arguments against God’s morality totally ignore God’s love, sovereignty and holiness. I’ve had discussions with anti-theists that had about the same superficial understanding of Christianity.
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Let us not forget the real reason people leave the Church (or refuse to ever join). It is because of their own sinful desires and active will to resist God. He can quip all he wants to about how mean/stupid/emotional/how he got his butt whipped in school all he wants. But he is an Atheist because he is unrepentant in his unbelief, a position nurtured by his fallen state and active rebellion against God. May God have Mercy.
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