Homeschooling mother Dr. Lydia McGrew explains why Bible-believing Christians are uneasy with the use of evidence on her blog What’s Wrong With The World. (H/T Eric Chabot)
Excerpt:
4) The idea that, if a young person gets deeply interested in Christian evidence, he will go out on the Internet (or at his public high school or secular college) seeking giants to slay and will get overwhelmed. Again, this worry has merit as a sociological matter. That can certainly happen.
That is why we should say loud and clear to Christians interested in this topic: Don’t do that! What do I mean? Just this: Being committed to investigating the evidence for Christianity does not mean that one has to find out every possible thing that anyone has ever said about or against Christianity and know the answer to it. That would be impossible because of the sheer bulk of (ultimately unpersuasive) objections which skeptics can bring up as though they were real problems.
In this context the words of George Horne, an 18th century bishop, from his Letters on Infidelity, are wise and helpful. (Emphasis added.)
In the thirty sections of their pamphlet, they have produced a list of difficulties to be met with in reading the Old and New Testament. Had I been aware of their design, I could have enriched the collection with many more, at least as good, if not a little better. But they have compiled, I dare say, what they deemed the best, and, in their own opinion, presented us with the essence of infidelity in a thumb-phial, the very fumes of which, on drawing the cork, are to strike the bench of bishops dead at once. Let not the unlearned Christian be alarmed, “as though some strange thing had happened to him,” and modern philosophy had discovered arguments to demolish religion, never heard of before. The old ornaments of deism have been “broken off” upon this occasion, “and cast into the fire, and there came out this calf.” These same difficulties have been again and again urged and discussed in public; again and again weighed and considered by learned and sensible men, of the laity as well as the clergy, who have by no means been induced by them to renounce their faith.
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Many and painful are the researches sometimes necessary to be made, for settling points of that kind. Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines, which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer. When this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again the next year, as if nothing had ever been written upon the subject.
And a bit later:
5) The unspoken fear that Christianity cannot stand up to scrutiny and doesn’t really have good evidential support.
Here I do not blame the parents, but not because I share the unspoken fear. I do not blame them, because in most cases no one has ever taught them otherwise. How many pastors and priests have really taught apologetics to their congregations, or even offered such studies as an option? Too few. How many courses on sharing your faith have explicitly taught people not to get involved in responding to questions and objections but just to “share their experience” because “no one can argue with that”? Too many. It’s no wonder then that the congregation comes away with the sneaking suspicion that our Christian faith is no better grounded than Mormonism and that we, like they, must depend chiefly on the burning in the bosom.
And one can always push the blame further back. Perhaps the pastors weren’t taught Christian evidences at their seminaries.
In fact, I would not be surprised if all too many theologians who give high-falutin’ rationalizations for being anti-evidentialist are actually making a virtue out of what they deem to be a necessity. Since they don’t think Christian faith is founded on fact, they might as well make up some profound-sounding theological theory that tells us that it shouldn’t be.
When Nathanael asks Philip, “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?” Philip simply says, “Come and see.” (John 1:46) And he brings him to Jesus. If you as a parent or mentor to the young are opposed to the study of Christian evidences partly because deep down you suspect that they aren’t very good, I can only say to you as well, “Come and see.”
I blogged about this tendency of church leaders to make a virtue out of laziness and ignorance before.
Here’s a snip:
Suppose a pastor or campus group leader wants to avoid having to learn physics and cosmology, or the minimum facts case for the resurrection, or how to respond to apparently gratuitous suffering, or the problem of religious pluralism. Suppose he thinks that Christianity, if it is about anything, is about his feeling happy and comfortable with a minimum of effort and work. So, he diligently avoids reading apologetics, because learning evidence is hard work. He avoids watching debates on God’s existence and the resurrection, because this is hard work. He avoids conversations with people who do study these things, and implies that there is something wrong with them for studying these things. He endeavors to conceal his laziness and ignorance and cowardice from his flock with much pious God-talk and fervent praise-hymn-singing.
Eventually, some member of his church asks him to go for lunch with an actual non-Christian family member. The pastor agrees and when he meets the unbelieving family member, he has nothing at all to say about typical challenges that unbelievers face. He has no knowledge of evolution, the problem of evil, the hiddenness of God, or the hallucination theory. He has never read a single atheist, and never read a single piece of evidence to refute them from Christian scholars. He lacks humility, refusing to admit that other Christian scholars may know more than he does because they have studied other areas. Needless to say, he fails to defend God’s reputation to the non-Christian. What will he say to the members of his flock about his failure? How will he justify his obstinate refusal to do what everyone else in the Bible does when confronting non-believers?
Well, consider this review of a recent book that defends the Gospels and the historicity of the resurrection by one such fideist pastor.
He writes:
There are, however, two significant shortcomings to the book.
First, Cold-Case Christianity places far too much emphasis on the role of extrabiblical sources. No doubt there is a legitimate role for biblical archaeology and extrabiblical writing from antiquity. Christianity is, after all, a faith firmly rooted in human history. But there is a grave danger when truth is suspended because of an apparent lack of corroboration from extrabiblical sources. And Wallace, I’m afraid, wanders too close to this dark side of apologetics.
All of chapter 12, for instance, is devoted to proving the Gospels have external corroborative evidence—“evidence that are independent of the Gospel documents yet verify the claims of the text” (183). Wallace then addresses the historicity of the pool of Bethesda and makes another worrying statement: “For many years, there was no evidence for such a place outside of John’s Gospel. Because Christianity makes historical claims, archaeology ought to be a tool we can use to see if these claims are, in fact, true” (201-202, emphasis added).
In other words, Wallace seems to suggest we cannot affirm the truth of the Gospel accounts without the stamp of approval from archaeology and other extrabiblical sources. Such reasoning is dangerous, not least because it cannot affirm the inerrancy of the Bible. But also, it places the final court of appeal in the realm of extrabiblical sources rather than of God’s all-sufficient, all-powerful Word.
That is a textbook definition of fideism – that belief is somehow more pious and praiseworthy the less evidence we have. And the best way to have less evidence is to study nothing at all, but to just make a leap-of-faith in the dark. Of course, a leap-of-faith can land you anywhere – Islam, Mormonism. Presumably this pastor is like the Mormons who eschew all evidence and prefer to detect the truth of Mormonism by “the burning of the bosom” which happens when people read the all-sufficient, all-powerful Book of Mormon. His view of faith is identical to theirs, and 180 degrees opposed to the Bible. He has made his leap-of-faith, and that leap-of-faith is not accountable to arguments and evidence. His faith is private and personal, based on his own feelings. He considers it blasphemous to have to demonstrate what he believes to those who disagree with him. Where is this in the Bible? It’s nowhere. But it is everywhere in anti-intellectual Christian circles.
[…]I think that Christians are much better off following the example of authentic Christian pastors like R.C. Sproul, who, in a conference on evangelism, invited Dr. Stephen C. Meyer to present multiple lines of evidence from mainstream science to establish the existence of God. The only reason not to take this approach is laziness, which leads to ignorance, which leads to cowardice. And failure. It is pastors like Pastor Bungle above who are responsible for the great falling away from Christianity that we are seeing when we look at young people. Pastors who pride themselves in refusing to connecting the Bible to the real world, with evidence and with policy analysis, are causing young people to abandon the faith.
I think that many people who reject Christianity can point to a general impression that they got from Pastor Bungle and his ilk that faith is somehow different from other areas of knowledge and that it was morally praise worthy to insulate faith from critical thinking and evidence. Pastor Bungle could never justify his view by using the Bible, but a lot of church leaders have that view regardless of whether it’s Biblical or not.
The really troubling thing that I see again and again in the church is when pastors base all of their opposition to behaviors like abortion and gay marriage on Christianity. This effectively makes it impossible to do anything about these issues in the public square, because Christians are then taught to have nothing persuasive to say on these issues to non-Christians. It’s like pastors are more interested in striking a pious pose with their congregations instead of studying secular arguments and evidence so they can equip Christians to actually solve the problem.
I sorta disagree: there is no need to fear–or avoid–the seamier, anti-Christian, areas of the Internet if you have a good handle on logic and the assorted fallacies associated therein.
You can win most of these battles simply by knowing that most of what you’re going to encounter online in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases will be emotional, illogical–this goes for 99% of topics, not just those relating to Christianity. Teach your kids to recognize these fallacies, and they’ll be armed for life against such stupidity.
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I agree with you. I think that logic does nothing to provide a positive case on scientific or historical grounds. It’s just good for disqualifying things that are logically inconsistent, etc. To make a positive case, you’d have to have studied hard evidence. Lydia’s husband is one of the best-known evidentialists though, so she must have sympathy for that view. I think she is saying that there is no need to fuss about every little objection on every strange atheist web site.
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I think it is prudent to avoid certain “anti-Christian” areas of the Internet – not because the objections that are raised there are compelling, but rather on account of the enormous time-sink that answering those objections can become and the emotional and spiritual weariness that can result.
The Christian who chooses – in a given hour – to read an academic book on theology, science, philosophy, etc., study a reputable field in university, or train himself or herself in preparation for large-scale public engagement for the glory of God is perhaps wiser in the use of time than the Christian who chooses – in the same hour – to answering objections on random atheist blogs.
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This is an excellent point. I have learned the hard way that many of the atheists you find in the comment section of blogs or on YT/other sites have zero interest in actual discussion. They want to call names and spew insults. Nothing more.
I have tried over and over, and there’s only been a handful of times where there was anything even approaching a rational discussion. I’ve wasted hours – day, even – looking up information to give to them to answer their points and they don’t even look at it, much less give it sincere consideration!
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Christians – especially young Christians who are interested in what reasons can be given in support of their convictions – need to keep in mind that it is not a tacit admission of defeat to avoid engaging in some conversations or to withdraw from some conversations after a short while. Looking at my own intellectual and spiritual development, one of the things that I regret most was spending far too much time arguing about theology, philosophy, history, science, and the like on the Internet instead of quietly, systematically, and rapidly reading decent books on those topics.
Check out Tim McGrew’s excellent Advice for Christian Apologists.
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You mean this?
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Great article
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This is all so foreign to my thinking.
How in the world are Christians supposed to engage the culture – and a culture that is increasingly hostile to Christianity – without “being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you”?
It’s right there in Scripture! Not just that in that passage (1 Peter 3) but others as well! The Bible knows nothing of this blind faith idea that says you’re just supposed to believe something with zero evidence for it.
And how can we intelligently communicate with the culture if we don’t know what they believe as well?
For the life of me, I don’t know how people like this live day to day. How and when did ignorance – in ANY area – become a virtue? I don’t think I’ve met Christians like this and if I did I would be horrified! The world already thinks we’re a bunch of ignorant rubes. And Christians are proud of this and want to encourage it?
What Bible are these people reading?
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They’re not. They’re watching TV and listening to Christian music.
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Come to think of it, I did have someone tell me that too much “head knowledge” isn’t good if it takes the place of spending time with God.
I can’t imagine how that could even happen, even with God’s Word! How else do you know Him but through His Word? And apologetics is just an extension of that!
It all leaves me baffled. And embarrassed. No wonder many atheists think Christians are a bunch of idiots!
Christians should be THE most knowledgeable, intelligent, well-read people on the planet, and about a variety of subjects!
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As an atheist, I would like to offer this encouragement to young Christians: There is no argument in the world that can force you to give up your faith. The only reason to give up your faith is your own wilful decision.
If you are afraid of Internet arguments, don’t blame the Internet. What you really fear is the unknown wilfulness lurking inside yourself.
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I’m not even sure what this means.
As with anything else in life, the question to be asked about biblical claims is, “Is this true?”
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