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Pro-abortion students explain why science and evidence are irrelevant

When you watch pro-life debaters like Jose Ruba and Scott Klusendorf, you see them making logical arguments, citing research from hostile sources, and showing images of actual unborn children as evidence.

Well, what do you get from the pro-abortion people? (H/T Verum Serum)

They think that science cannot determine at what point a baby’s heart starts beating. Yes, they think that! Or rather, they feel that.

Because they will not conform their wills to logic and evidence. They just want to do whatever they want to be happy and then do whatever they want to make the natural consequences of their own choices go away so they can keep being happy and doing whatever they want. That’s what abortion is.

Audio from debate between Alan Shlemon and Cecili Chadwick

This debate was posted by Brian Auten. His website, Apologetics 315, is the best apologetics web site on the web.

The MP3 file is here. (50 minutes)

Pro-life debater Alan Shlemon opening speech:

  • if the unborn entity is a living human being, then abortion is wrong
  • unborn children are alive
  • unborn children are different and distinct from the mother
  • unborn children are human beings
  • video: shows what an aborted unborn child looks like
  • differences in size between born and unborn children do not affect moral value
  • differences in level of development between born and unborn children do not affect moral value
  • differences in location between born and unborn children do not affect moral value
  • differences in dependence between born and unborn children do not affect moral value
  • therefore, abortion takes the life of an innocent human being

Pro-abortion debater Cecili Chadwick opening speech:

  • just because I want abortion to be legal doesn’t mean that I want abortions to happen
  • abortion should be legal and taxpayer-funded but I hope that not too many happen
  • prior to birth a woman and her unborn baby are actually just the woman – there is no baby
  • she actually concedes that a foetus is a living human being (seriously)
  • a born person has more value than an unborn person, but I can’t really say why that is
  • a lot fewer abortions would happen if abortion were illegal, so we should keep it legal
  • here are some sad anecdotes that are extremely rare, therefore abortion should be legal through all 9 months
  • abortion is a private issue, therefore abortion should be legal through all 9 months
  • abortion is a personal issue, therefore abortion should be legal through all 9 months
  • abortion is a complex issue, therefore abortion should be legal through all 9 months
  • it’s legal to kill in self-defense against an armed attacker, therefore abortion should be legal through all 9 months

I just paraphrased her based on my interpretation of what she said, because I am snarky. She didn’t say that stuff verbatim. I took the spin off of it.

Democrats and pro-abortion groups target pro-lifers in FBI and DOJ training

From Life News. (H/T The Blog Prof)

Excerpt:

Documents LifeNews.com obtained today reveal the Obama administration partnered with leading pro-abortion organizations to host an FBI training seminar in August with the main focus of declaring as “violent” the free speech activities of pro-life Americans.

On August 25, 2010, the FBI and the United States Department of Justice co-sponsored a training seminar with Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation and the Feminist Majority Foundation.

When information about the seminar, which took place at FBI headquarters in Portland, Oregon, reached pro-life advocates, they asked officials for permission to attend and were granted access to the seminar and the training materials.

FBI and Obama administration officials provided participants with an 84-page document entitled “Resource Guide: Violence Against Reproductive Health Care Providers” that contained print copies of Power Point presentations prepared by the Justice Department and an analysis of alleged pro-life “violence” prepared by the pro-abortion groups.

The so-called violence perpetrated by pro-life advocates mostly contained examples of constitutionally-protected free speech, including activities such as praying, providing women outside abortion centers with alternatives information, and peaceful protesting or picketing.

Matt Bowman, a top attorney at the Alliance Defense Fund, told LifeNews.com today that the cooperation between the Obama administration and pro-abortion organizations to target pro-life free speech should cause alarm.

“The information presented in the seminar raises serious concerns over the United States government’s treatment of nonviolent free speech activities as ‘violence’ subject to investigation and prosecution,” he said.

“Abortionist organizations have long lobbied to use the law to silence free speech activities. But in this seminar the FBI and USDOJ included those views in their own training seminar materials,” he added. “This raises serious concerns about the United States government investigating peaceful, legal free speech activity in efforts that are ostensibly aimed at violence.”

The Obama administration documents, on page 39-41 specifically list the names of pro-life organizations and websites sponsored by peaceful nonviolent groups.

Some of the organizations named in the FBI/DOJ seminar materials include 40 Days for Life, the ACLJ, Concerned Women for America, National Right to Life, Priests for Life, and Students for Life of America.

Julie Abbate of USDOJ, who presented at the seminar, is the attorney who filed a federal lawsuit in August 2010 against a pro-life advocate solely for leafleting while, allegedly, one time, crossing a driveway in front of an abortion center.

“The lawsuit is further evidence that USDOJ is putting its resources into prosecuting peaceful activity on public sidewalks, rather than violence,” Bowman said.

My previous post about the administration’s opinion of pro-lifers and other conservatives.

Obama is the most pro-abortion president ever.

UPDATE: James informs me that Verum Serum has a number of stories linked about pro-abortion clinic violence against pro-lifers.