Knight and Rose Show – Episode 9: The Truth About Black Lives Matter

Welcome to episode 9 of the Knight and Rose podcast! In this episode, we talk about Black Lives Matter, drawing on WK’s experience of being a black legal immigrant to America (by merit). If you like this episode, please subscribe to the podcast, and subscribe to our Youtube channel. We would appreciate it if you left us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

Podcast description:

Christian apologists Wintery Knight and Desert Rose discuss apologetics, policy, culture, relationships, and more. Each episode equips you with evidence you can use to boldly engage anyone, anywhere. We train our listeners to become Christian secret agents. Action and adventure guaranteed. 30-45 minutes per episode. New episode every week.

Episode 9:

Episode  Summary:

Wintery Knight and Desert Rose discuss the Black Lives Matter movement, their grievances and proposed solutions. WK talks about his ethnic / family background, his immigration story, and how Christianity impacted his decision-making. We discussed police bias and defunding the police. We discussed fatherlessness, crime and educational outcomes. We discussed Marxism. We discussed the experiences of other non-white racial groups in America. We discussed what the Bible says about the problems raised by BLM.

Speaker biographies

Wintery Knight is a black legal immigrant. He is a senior software engineer by day, and an amateur Christian apologist by night. He has been blogging at since January of 2009, covering news, policy and Christian worldview issues.

Desert Rose did her undergraduate degree in public policy, and then worked for a conservative Washington lobbyist organization. She also has a graduate degree from a prestigious evangelical seminary. She is active in Christian apologetics as a speaker, author, and teacher.


When I (WK) am talking about the 6 unarmed black men who were shot by police, I of course mean the 6 unarmed blacks who were shot and killed by police. 

When I (WK) are talking about my roadster, I was so excited I jumbled some details together. The car is a triple black convertible with black rims, black exterior and black interior. She has 50/50 weight distribution, a torque-sensing limited slip differential, is rear wheel drive with a standard transmission, and she has some other after market add-ons. The car is named “Copenhagen”, after the mount used by the Duke of Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo. I normally never splurge on luxuries, but this car is 22 years old, and was bought new the first month I arrived in America. I used to keep a stock photo of the vehicle in my binder during college to remind me what was waiting for me after I graduated. It was a promise I made to myself that if I made it to America, I would buy the car. I thought it was a good way to avoid the drinking and the sex that was going on in college – if I avoided all that, and focused on my studies, then I could have the car as a reward. She is still sitting in my garage, 22 years later. $24,000 after taxes, and I got her at 0% interest for 5 years. To knights, horses are important.

Rose wanted to recommend a book in the show notes called “BLM: The Making of a New Marxist Revolution“, written by Mike Gonzalez. There is an audio book version.


Is there evidence of systemic racism in the United States? by Wintery Knight

Walter Bradley: An Engineer Who Has Made a Difference (all about WK’s personal hero, posted at Mind Matters AI)

For a Greater Purpose: The Life and Legacy of Walter Bradley by Robert J. Marks II and William A. Dembski

Team Biden finally admits there’s a war on cops — which it’s inflaming (NY Post, 6 unarmed blacks shot by police in 2021)

Portland, Oregon, cuts police budget over force, injustice (ABC News)

With violent crime rising, size of Portland police department is still shrinking (Hot Air)

Portland homicides

‘Black-on-Black crime’: A loaded and controversial phrase often heard amid calls for police reform (ABC News, “90% of Black people killed were killed by other Black people”)

Stanford Education Policy study (number of parents in households, broken down by race)

Analyzing ‘the homework gap’ among high school students (Brookings Institute)

List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income (U.S. Census 2019 dataa)

Venezuela Nationalizes Her Petroleum Industry (NY Times)

The Poverty of Nations: A Sustainable Solution by Barry Asmus and Wayne Grudem

Marriage: America’s Greatest Weapon Against Child Poverty (Heritage Foundation)

Index of Economic Freedom (Heritage Foundation)

Per capita GDP, by country (Worldometer)

100 Years of Communism—and 100 Million Dead (Wall Street Journal, archived copy)

How to not be Poor by Walter Williams

BLM spent at least $12M on luxury properties in LA, Toronto: tax filing (NY Post)

BLM paid co-founder’s baby daddy nearly 5 times more than Trayvon Martin foundation (NY Post)

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Strength Of The Titans by Kevin MacLeod

2 thoughts on “Knight and Rose Show – Episode 9: The Truth About Black Lives Matter”

  1. Only 2 hours per night for Asians? ;)


    Might have been what I was doing in sixth or seventh grade.

    By 8th grade: at least 4 hours a night

    (And of course, I didn’t fail second semester Calculus… but you probably figured that out.)

    But anyway. I did study some of the other groups and it is well-known:

    * strong nuclear family structure and values (not just helicopter parenting or Tiger parents)
    * values are strongly communicated by parents
    * family is an important unit (“don’t bring dishonor to the family” “bring honor for our family” are sometimes preached)
    * delayed gratification emphasized
    * dating should not look like the world but should be deliberate (i.e., not haphazard, not just about having fun, not just for self-fulfillment)
    * education is a high value (especially Nigerians, East Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, etc.)
    * STEM is a high value — just cherry-picking through all my ethnic (non-Caucasian, dark skinned) friends who are doing well:
    Ph.D. in Aerospace Engineering (Computational Fluid Dynamics)
    Double Bachelor’s (Business, Mechanical Engineering) + Harvard MBA + CFA — quantitative finance geek
    Lead UI/UX Designer
    Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering (valedictorian in college) — RF/microwave and milliwave engneer
    BA Harvard (Biology) + MD + now thoracic surgeon
    * don’t get pregnant out of wedlock / get [most to all] education done -> get married first -> then have kids


    1. Heyyyy! I failed the FIRST test in second year calculus because I couldn’t understand that professor’s accent. I changed sections and got out of there with a 70% final grade.

      I really appreciate what you did with your education. Things were harder for me. I was doing it all for the first time in our family, and didn’t have anyone helping me to know what to do. Still don’t.


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