Woman explains what she was told about having children when she was young

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Man teaching woman proper marksmanship

This article is by Ellie Bufkin, writing for the The Federalist. I always had a suspicion that women were being told not to marry too early, and not to have kids too early, but to instead enjoy their freedom. (With all that that entails) In some cases, it was their own mothers telling them this. Here is the story of one woman who was told to follow her dreams – as long as they didn’t involve marriage and children.

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Since I was young, I’ve heard a non-stop stream of encouragement for me, as a “modern woman,” to take charge of my own life, live independently, and chase my dreams. This seems like the obvious advice we should give children, except that many people spent so much time chasing their dreams and creating their bespoke lives that they forgot to have children.

While growing up in the suburbs, my post-scholastic dream did not consist of finding a partner and having babies. I wanted to see the world, experience many cultures, and live without having to worry about caring for anyone else. I ended up in a fast-paced career with a propensity for hard partying, late hours, and a taste for travel and luxury.

As years ticked by, I assumed my perfect life would simply fall into place when I was ready, my career would steadily improve, and I would be swept off my feet by a perfect man. I had many friends with the exact same expectations for their lives, and today, we are pretty much all still single and childless.

We set our expectations so high that we never achieved them. We dated people with the same hope for impossibly perfect lives and moved from city to city, hoping we could achieve a greatness that was not to be.

[…]Liberal feminists widely consider it to be morally wrong to have children in your twenties, or to have more than two children, or to continue any unplanned pregnancy. As a species, shouldn’t we want to reproduce? If we continue to reinforce the idea that having kids is a taboo choice, how long will it be before there are no children?

Many of the women I went to primary and high school with never left our little hometown, and now have their own children in the exact suburb I couldn’t wait to get away from. In my twenties, I pitied them. How could they be so uncurious as to never leave home? Weren’t we all raised to believe that women had choices now?

The next thing I want to do is to give you some facts about infertility, and whether women have accurate beliefs about infertility.

Dina sent me this UK Daily Mail article a while back, but I held onto it until I could find something to pair it with.

It says:

One of Britain’s top NHS fertility specialists last night issued a stark warning to women: Start trying for a baby before you’re 30 – or risk never having children.

In a strongly worded letter to Education Secretary Nicky Morgan, consultant gynaecologist Professor Geeta Nargund has also demanded that teenagers are taught about the dangers of delaying parenthood, because of the spiralling cost to the taxpayer of IVF for women in their late 30s and 40s.

[…]Prof Nargund said last night: ‘Ideally, if a woman is ready for a child, she should start trying by the time she is 30. She should consider having a child early because as a woman gets older, her fertility declines sharply.’

If a woman started trying early enough, doctors would still have time to diagnose problems and take action before it was too late, she said.

Her comments were endorsed by Professor Allan Pacey, outgoing chair of the British Fertility Society.

‘You need to be trying by 30 because if there is a problem and you need surgery, hormones or IVF, then you’ve got five years to sort it out,’ he said. ‘If a woman starts trying at 35, doctors have got to sort it out when she is already on a slippery fertility slope’.

My friend Drew found a study reported on by ABC News, that explained why the age of 30 is so important.

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By the time a woman hits 30, nearly all of her ovarian eggs are gone for good, according a new study that says women who put off childbearing for too long could have difficulty ever conceiving.

The study published by the University of St. Andrews and Edinburgh University in Scotland found that women have lost 90 percent of their eggs by the time they are 30 years old, and only have about 3 percent remaining by the time they are 40.

Now, do most women know what the experts say about infertility?

Consider this article from Aeon magazine.

It says:

Many studies show that women are not only woefully ignorant when it comes to fertility, conception and the efficacy of assisted reproductive technologies (ART) – but they overestimate their knowledge about the subject. For instance, a 2011 study in Fertility and Sterility surveyed 3,345 childless women in Canada between the ages of 20 and 50; despite the fact that the women initially assessed their own fertility knowledge as high, the researchers found only half of them answered six of the 16 questions correctly. 72.9 per cent of women thought that: ‘For women over 30, overall health and fitness level is a better indicator of fertility than age.’ (False.) And 90.9 per cent felt that: ‘Prior to menopause, assisted reproductive technologies (such as IVF) can help most women to have a baby using their own eggs.’ (Also false.) Many falsely believed that by not smoking and not being obese they could improve their fertility, rather than the fact that those factors simply negatively affect fertility.

[…]According to a 2011 study in Human Reproduction, which surveyed 410 undergraduate students, most overestimated a women’s chances of spontaneous pregnancy in all age groups, but particularly after receiving IVF beyond age 40. Only 11 per cent of the students knew that genetic motherhood is unlikely to be achieved from the mid-40s onward, unless using oocytes or egg cells frozen in advance. ‘This can be explained by technological “hype” and favourable media coverage of very late pregnancies,’ the authors concluded.

So, I guess now I’ll issue my advice to women in their 20s on how to avoid being single and childless at 35.

Money gives men confidence to pull the trigger on marriage, so you should focus your efforts on men with a solid balance sheet and a gap-less resume. Beware of men who paint a rosy picture of their finances in the future that makes you feel good, but who have not demonstrated their ability to earn or save. It’s much better to focus your time on a man who can marry you right now. The best way to tell if a man is capable of marriage is not by listening to confident words, it’s by looking to see how he has prepared to perform his roles, one of which is provider.

Be debt free. Study STEM in school, update your resume, and get a job that pays well. Jobs are not meant to be fun or fulfilling. You need to be preparing financially for marriage, and that means a normal 8-4:30 job in an office with 3% annual raises and 401K matching. The more you save to help your man with the down payment on your house, the better. Pursuing fun and spending money on frivolous things like travel makes you addicted to fun, which is unsuitable for the hard work and responsibilities in marriage. Working a hard job is a good way to break down your selfishness, and prepare you to take your obligations to others seriously. Don’t live in the moment, do sacrifice for the future. Believe me: a woman’s debt is a serious damper on a man’s willingness to marry her.

If you went to college, chances are that you absorbed a lot of feminism. Feminism emphasizes being free of constraints, feeling happy, having fun, career over family, and independence from the needs of men and children. And most of all, it teaches mistrust and disrespect of male leadership. Not every man can be trusted and respected as a leader, and that’s why it’s on you to choose a man who can be trusted and respected as a leader. Most married women will tell you that leadership in moral and spiritual areas is the most difficult and valuable quality to get in a man. Get yourself a marriage mentor, ask for book recommendations that will educate you about the challenges and rewards of marriage. A good marriage mentor will explain to you why marriage is a better plan than the feminist plan, and will emphasize self-denial, self-sacrifice, self-control and serving others. It’s only by getting specific about marriage and parenting that your heart will change to want to work on marriage rather than work on the things that the feminist culture prefers. I recommend Dr. Laura’s book on husbands, and lectures by Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse.

This talk of infertility made me think of a woman I know who just turned 30. She spent most of her 20s in relationships with huge, tall burly men. Race car drivers, etc. She liked to travel, especially to the beach. She liked ride around with in boats with buff guys. Now, at 30, she is very jaded about men and struggling to even get a date. In my experience, men are most open to marrying a woman who is young, athletic, and doesn’t have baggage from fun-seeking with hot bad boys. Sexual baggage usually builds impatience, mistrust, disrespect and controlling behavior in a woman. Men prefer to marry virgins who are calm, stable and not addicted to alcohol or drugs. The time to focus on serious marriage-minded providers and leaders is when you have what men need from a woman for a marriage.

15 thoughts on “Woman explains what she was told about having children when she was young”

    1. I think that most young women today have an imagined future where they marry, have children, and have a home and a car and a dog, etc. And they think that a feminist life plan: drinking, promiscuity, easy college degree, student loan debt, full time career from graduation to retirement, etc. is all compatible with that.

      That’s the problem. They think they can work one feminist plan in their 20s, and that it leads to the result of a married home in their 40s. The problem is that men realize that they won’t get what they need for a marriage from a woman who follows the feminist life plan. The problem isn’t with men, it’s in the women’s decision-making.

      A non-frivolous college degree, some private sector work experience, and being debt-free are all useful things, but the marriage has to happen pretty early if it is going to have value for a man. At the very least, men benefit from having the support of a wife during the difficult early phase of their career.

      I think parents and pastors used to teach young women how to get to the happily ever after, but then with the advent of feminism, parents and pastors decided to step back from that role, and delegate the leading of women to the secular leftists in the culture. Public school teachers, celebrities, artists, musicians, etc. And then when the feminist plan fails, instead of parents and pastors taking responsibility for not fighting feminist lies, they just turn to men and ask them to man up and marry those women anyway. But you can’t get a man to jump off a cliff by daring him to do it.

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  1. We have an interesting dilemma: women wanting successful men, and younger men (in our generation) having to spend many years to begin their careers. Our Economy distorts everything.

    There are many benefits to both H+W marrying young, including the struggles of starting out. However, women these days bail when there are problems. They want success, which means they want older men (late 20s-early 30s). Red pill teaches this, and some encourage women to stay at the finish line and marry the winners. I’m 50/50 on the matter.

    However, by the time a guy is that age, he has figured out he doesn’t need marriage to get women, and/or that he has been able to live on his own (meaning the role of a wife offers less).

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  2. “Most married women will tell you that leadership in moral and spiritual areas is the most difficult and valuable quality to get in a man.”

    Interesting. And questionable.
    Using the old “actions versus words” paradigm, my observations suggest those sort of attributes are way down the list for most western women.

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    1. I said married women. A lot of them deliberately choose to marry men who don’t attend church or care about morals, because they don’t want to be judged, and they don’t want male leadership. Then after they have kids, they suddenly realize their mistake.

      Few unmarried women have the wisdom and self-control to choose men who are good at moral and spiritual leadership. Men with definite convictions about morals and theology are VERY UNCOMFORTABLE for women, because it raises the specter that their feelings won’t rule, and they will have to let the man lead the relationship. I.e. – it won’t be about them.

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  3. I personally am also “most open to marrying a man who is young, athletic, and doesn’t have baggage from fun-seeking with hot girls”. Also, without sexual baggage because I do not want a controlling spouse. I’d also prefer to “marry virgins who are calm, stable and not addicted to alcohol or drugs [or video games]”. It seems the pool of such men is almost nonexistent. I’m in my early 20s and I do not want a spouse that’s more than 10 years older than me. At this point I don’t have much hope and I’m looking into freezing ovums for IVF and a sperm donor my early 30s of there is no Mr.Right in the picture. While I do not want to end up childless and single later, I’ll take that than marrying someone I have no interest in being with for the sake of not being alone.

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      1. Thank you, but I’ll try a little harder to see if something comes up. My age cut-off limit is 33, right now. Things are bit bleak because what I’m looking has not emerged in any of the men under 25. Most of the men that are young, marriage, and family minded from my Church are been socially awkward, overweight, or had ambitions but no set plan to seek their ambitions out and I was outearning them by a long shot. I finished my career in Health care early and I’m applying to be a travel nurse anesthetists. Maybe there will be other options outside my state.

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        1. My favorite easy book on marriage for women is “The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands” by Dr. Laura Schlessinger. It is fun. You will get the truth about men from a woman, and it presents us as exciting creatures who can be easily manipulated to be heroic and good and kind, just by paying attention to male nature.

          My advice is to always remember that a man’s commitment to you won’t come from you always being perfect. It comes from your choice of man. Choose a man who is passionate about something bigger than just you, and help him to achieve it. He will take you do be his best friend, and you will have no rivals. Help with his cause and you’ll be indispensable, no matter how old you are or how you look. Men are hard-wired to connect and confide with women who want to help them with what they are passionate about.

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        2. If you’re a Christian, the book “The Sacred Search” is absolutely a must-read, and tells you everything you need to know about men, good and bad. I read it, and I thought that the parts where we looked bad were hilarious, because it was all true.

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