Why did Dan Barker leave Christianity for atheism?

A conflict of worldviews
A conflict of worldviews

Unbelievable’s  radio show featured a discussion with former Christian Dan Barker, the founder and co-President of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

The MP3 file is here. (60 minutes)

I thought that I would make some general comments about why I think that many people leave the Christian faith, and what you should be careful of in order to avoid following in Dan Barker’s footsteps, specifically.

Basically, there are four major reasons why people leave Christianity.

  1. They want to do something immoral with impunity. This type of person wants to do something immoral that is forbidden by Christianity, like pre-marital sex or getting drunk in clubs with friends. They dump Christianity in order to have freedom to seek happiness in this life.
  2. They want to make decisions based on their emotions, rather than wisdom. This type of person thinks that God’s job is to save them when they act irresponsibly. When God disappoints them by not make their recklessness “work out”, they leave the faith.
  3. They want to be loved by people, not by God. This type of person thinks that Christianity is a tool that they can use to become popular. When they first try to articulate the gospel in public, they find that people don’t like them as much, and they feel bad about offending people with exclusive truth claims that they cannot back up using logic and evidence. So, they water down Christianity to get along with non-Christians. Finally, they jettison Christianity completely. This happens to a lot of young Christians the moment they hit college / university.
  4. They don’t want to learn to defend their faith. This type of person is asked questions by skeptics that they cannot answer. Usually this happens when people go to university after growing up in the shelter of the Church. The questions and peer pressure make them feel stupid. Rather than investigate Christianity to see if it’s true, they drop it, so they can be thought of as part of the “smart” crowd.

Now listen to the discussion and see if you can identify some of these factors from Barker’s own carefully-prepared words. He is trying very hard to make himself look honest and moderate, because he wants Christians to be sympathetic with his story and his motives for leaving Christianity. But I think that there is enough in his statements to construct a different hypothesis of why he left Christianity.

I’ve grouped the data by risk factor. Some of this is my interpretation of his real motivations, based on my experience dealing with former-Christians.

Non-rational, emotional approach to Christianity

  • he was raised in a devout Christian family where he probably wouldn’t have faced skeptical questions
  • he converted to Christianity at age 15 as a result of a religious experience, not a serious investigation
  • his idea of God was probably idealized and uninformed, e.g. – a loving God who wants us to be happy
  • he wandered around from church to church preaching, with no fixed address or source of income
  • he earned money by collecting “love offerings” from churches where he performed his music
  • he wrote Christian songs and Christian musicals, but nothing substantive on apologetics and theology
  • he worked in three churches known for being anti-intellectual and fundamentalist
  • there’s no evidence that of any deep study of philosophy, science and history during this time

Desire to gain acceptance from non-Christians

  • he began to notice that some people were uncomfortable with sin and Hell
  • he began to avoid preaching about sin and Hell in order to make these people comfortable
  • he watered-down the gospel to focus on helping people to be happy in this life
  • his manic approach to Christian ministry was challenged by the “real life” needs of his growing family
  • he met liberal pastors while performing his music in their churches
  • he found it difficult to disagree with them because they seemed to be “good” people
  • he watered down his message further in order to appeal to people across the theological spectrum

Ignorance of Christian apologetics

  • he began to think that if there are many different views of religion, then no view can be correct
  • he was not intellectually capable of using logic and evidence to test these competing claims to see which was true
  • he decided to instead re-interpret Christian truth claims as non-rational opinions, so they could all be “valid”
  • he became a theological liberal, abandoning theism for an impersonal “ground of being”
  • he embraced religious pluralism, the view that all religions are non-rational and make no testable truth claims
  • he began to see God as a “metaphor” whose purpose is to make people have a sense of meaning and purpose
  • he jettisoned God completely and focused more on helping people find meaning and morality apart from God
  • seems to think that religion is about having a “great life”, and felt that you can have a “great life” without religion
  • seems to think that religion is about being “good”, and felt that you can be “good” without religion
  • religion makes people feel bad by telling them what to do instead of letting them do anything they want
  • religion makes people feel bad by telling them what is true, instead of letting them believe whatever they want
  • religion makes people feel bad by telling them that God will hold them accountable for their beliefs and actions

So what do I think happened?

Barker was generating an income from donations from churches where he entertained them. Gradually, his family grew to the point where conservative churches were not enough to support him. He had to change his message to appeal to liberal churches in order to cast a wider net.

He seems to have thought that Christianity is about having his needs met and being liked by others. I think he wanted to feel good and to make people feel good with his preaching and singing. But Christianity is not a feel-good religion. It’s not a tool to make people like you. He seems to have become aware that the exclusive claims of Christianity made other people feel offended, so he cut them out. Christian apologists learn how to provide evidence for claims that non-Christians find offensive or hard to believe, but Dan hadn’t studied philosophy, science or history so he couldn’t defend it. It’s hard to speak unpopular truths when you have nothing to back it up except your music composing. Eventually, Dan just quit making the truth claims entirely.

I also think money was a factor. It seems to me that it would have hurt his career and reduced his invitations from liberal churches if he had kept up teaching biblical Christianity. In order to appeal to a wider audience, (like many Christian singers do – e.g. – Amy Grant, Jars of Clay, etc.), he would have felt pressured to water down the unpleasant parts of his preaching and singing. Lacking apologetics skill, he instead abandoned his message. He needed to account for his family’s needs and “real life”, and exclusive truth claims and Hell-talk would have reduced his ability to do that. It seems to me that he should have scaled back his extreme schedule of preaching and singing, and instead gotten a steady job so that he could afford “real life” and a family without being pressured into altering his message. The Christian life requires a certain amount of wisdom that Dan did not have.

Life isn’t a fairy tale. God isn’t there to reward risky behavior. We need to be more shrewd about financial matters so that we have the ability to not care about what people think of us. Look at this blog. I work all day as a senior software engineer with two degrees in computer science, so that I don’t have to rely on donations. Additionally, I save most of what I make in case a tragedy strikes. Since I am financially secure, I can say what I think, and disregard anyone who wants me to change my message because they are offended. Becoming a Christian isn’t a license to behave irrationally and immaturely with money. For some people, (like William Lane Craig), stepping out in faith works. But if it doesn’t work, it’s better to retreat and re-trench, rather than to compromise your message for money.

I actually met someone like Dan Barker recently. She grew up in an anti-intellectual hippy Christian home. Her mother came from a good family, and decided on a whim to marry a non-Christian. Like Barker, the family exalted feelings and irrational expectations of miracles from God for “fearless” acts. She got herself into trouble with alcohol and promiscuity in her 20s, by making emotional decisions and mixing with the wrong crowd. Her way of fixing this was to fly off on a one-year missions trip, wrecking her resume and finances. Now, she is in her late 30s, unmarried, and literally blaming Jesus for putting too many demands on her that she doesn’t have time for, e.g – morning quiet time. This causes her to feel guilty, and make her want to reject Christianity. She had no intellectual conception of basic core doctrines like God’s existence or Jesus’ resurrection, which might have acted as a bulwark against her emotions. When I explained to her how I had structured my education and career so that I could have an influence without testing God, she seemed bored and said that I was too “fearful”.

This is apparently widespread, especially among anti-intellectual denominations. Another ex-Pentecostal atheist woman I heard about from people who knew her when she was young decided to drop out of college to travel around North America doing pro-life work. When she found herself penniless, unmarried and without children in her mid-30s, she decided to have a baby out of wedlock. The government will pay for it, she said. Rather than trying to justify this decision as a Christian, she blamed God for not making her madness “work out”. She is now an atheist, because God did not reward her decision to live fearlessly for him with a husband and children. It was all God’s fault. There is a whole subculture within Christianity, where the pursuit of fun and thrills can be masked with pious language, and all talk of prudence and restraint is seen as cowardice and lack of faith.

The Christian life requires a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of practical wisdom, and a certain level of self-control and discipline. Make sure that you don’t walk away from God because of your own bad choices.

14 thoughts on “Why did Dan Barker leave Christianity for atheism?”

  1. Good thoughts. An old pastor once told me that, “we could have faith that God would protect us if we stood out in the middle of the interstate, but, wisdom would not guide us that way. Be wise in how you rely on God’s intervention.” Sovereignty put this world together, with its rules, all God’s way. We have to obey them, as He directed, to know that our way is His.

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  2. I think that a fifth reason could be added, although it doesn’t necessarily apply to Barker. Somewhere along the way, these ex-Christians were badly hurt by other believers, or the Church, or perhaps because God allowed something terribly painful to touch their lives (death of a child, spousal betrayal, etc.). Then along comes Satan, who whispers that if God were really all-loving and all-powerful, He would never have let this tragedy touch one of His children. When the Christian listens to this slander, he begins to rebel against God, even to the point of denying His existence, and his character begins to disintegrate. This is why it is so crucially important that we come to know God AS HE IS, and that He works ALL things together for our good (Rom. 8:28).

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  3. I thoroughly enjoy your posts. You’re absolutely right; Dan had a very shallow and immature faith, much like his protege Jerry DeWitt. They were both ill-prepared to serve Christ, and decided to serve Satan in order to win fame and fortune. You may not be aware of this, but Dan met his future wife on the Oprah Winfrey (before she became famous) local show in Chicago. Annie Laurie Gaylor and her mother were evangelists for atheism long before she met Dan. I believe they formed the FFRF as an income generator, after they were married. They prey on schools and local governments, threatening to sue and usually forcing a settlement which is tantamount to extortion.
    It seems that it’s cheaper to capitulate and pay than to stand on principle. Anyway, these hardcore advocates for atheism are so blind they don’t see the miracle when it happens right before their very eyes.


  4. Simple enough, why did he go out from us? Because he never belonged to us, for if he had belonged to us, he would have remained with us.
    Dan has the same problem as all false believers, unbelief! He finally just showed his true colors.

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  5. It’s kind of a dirty laundry that we don’t really air: Christian musicians including Christian worship leaders/members of the Christian worship band may actually have some of the worst theology.

    I’ve been in some churches that they had several excellent musicians — but some of these musicians have been non-Christians and/or have had terrible theology. (Some churches pay their Sunday worship leaders and I haven’t heard too many tests of orthodoxy applied.)

    And I agree with Caroline.

    I do think that many don’t want a boss over them or they would rather be their own boss (I do think at the heart of WK’s #1 and hedonism is the issue over “Who is boss of your life?” — is it you or is it that Jewish carpenter?)

    I think I would summarize WK’s #2 as “a false Gospel/a false Christianity” (I think I would also add “wrong expectations of God” there), #3 as “People-pleasing”, and #4 as “intellectual sloth/laziness.”

    I guess the #5 above as suggested by Mark: trauma / painful experience, hurt by other believers, even I might suggest absent / weak / absentee / missing / abusive father figures…

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  6. In many churches the worship team can be carnal. It tends to favour the artsy type person in much of music that is about feeling with little thought to back what goes on.

    Christians rarely care as long as the worship team sounds good, who cares much about what the musician is actually like and if they are trying to live a Christian life

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      1. I ran into a guy at my wife’s former church (in very secular/liberal New England) who was really great. He had a M.Div. and did college ministry and happened to be a solid musician and music writer. His worship songs were thoughtfully composed and theologically well-balanced.


        1. When properly presented, Christian music can break down barriers in ways almost nothing else can. I have found this to be true in my own music ministry leading worship services.


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