How would gay marriage affect your marriage?

The Daily  Signal explains what it costs for those who refuse to celebrate same-sex marriage.


A bakery owner in Oregon broke down in tears while discussing the fallout of her and her husband’s decision not to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple on the basis of their Christian beliefs.

Earlier this year, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries found “substantial evidence” that Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, discriminated against the lesbian couple.

They now face a fine in excess of $150,000.

In an exclusive interview with The Daily Signal on Friday at the 2014 Values Voter Summit, Aaron said the fee would “definitely” be enough to bankrupt the couple and their five children.

[…]In January 2014, the Kleins were charged with violating Oregon’s Equality Act of 2007, a law that protects the rights of the LGBT community.

[…]Melissa and Aaron Klein are in the process of appealing the decision handed down by the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. Following threats, vicious protests and boycotts, they have also been forced to close their bakery.

Melissa told The Daily Signal the charges have “definitely impacted us pretty hard financially.”

“This was not the first time we’ve served these girls,” said Aaron, maintaining their refusal was not about the couple’s sexual orientation, but rather, about their religious convictions.

Sometimes, when a person is doing something they know is wrong, they will try to drown out their conscience by getting everyone around them to tell them that what they are doing is actually right. But what happens when the people around them don’t perform? Well, if you’re on the secular left, that’s where the fascism comes in. On a secular worldview, you can’t ground human rights. They don’t exist. So when a secular leftists is confronted with a lack of approval for his sinfulness, he turns to government to punish anyone who disagrees with them. Even if it means violating their fundamental human rights. The gay couple in question could have gone somewhere else, but instead they chose to punish people who disagreed with them in order to push their agenda by coercion.

I think a lot of atheists like to console themselves that even if God exists, that they will be OK because they never did anything really bad. You know, like rape or murder. And those things are indeed terrible, and definitely worthy of capital punishment now, and an eternity of separation from God later. But I think there is something even worse than those things. Jesus says that the most important commandment is for a person to love God with everything he has. I think that when a secular leftist uses the power of government to force Christians to break their allegiance to Christ, that they are doing something worse than rape or murder, (in terms of final judgment – not criminal law). And this is in addition to the widespread support for abortion (which is murder of an innocent child) that is widely supported in the atheist community.

You definitely do not want to be found to be one of those people who made Christians feel ashamed of taking the teachings of Jesus on sexuality seriously on that day. I really think it would be nice if atheists stopped kidding themselves about being good people. You’re not good people. We might treat you nicely, because you were made to know God and so have the same value as anyone else, but that doesn’t mean you are a good person. In fact, atheists cannot even ground objective morality rationally in their accidental universe. I guess we should not be surprised, then, when we see them using government to force their nihilism on people of faith.

Here is atheist morality:

The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

(“God’s Utility Function,” Scientific American, November, 1995, p. 85)

That’s why they can do these things. Because for them, rape, murder, anything – are all neither praiseworthy nor prohibited. There is no moral oughtness on atheism. And if they have enough power, then it just leads them to behave like the atheist Josef Stalin did in his ruthless suppression of free religious expression. Killing millions of people is no problem for atheists. There is no evil and no good, as Dawkins says. I think what this intolerance towards Christians for their faith is a slippery slope that leads to the kind of religious persecution that we have seen against people of faith in atheist regimes of the past. This is not speculative. Atheists have been willing to kill in order to protect their worldview from challengers. I think fining Christians $150,000 in order to bankrupt them is a step on that path. They lack the power today, but not the will. History teaches us that there is a deep hatred for Christianity inside atheism, and there are no limits to how far they will go to act on that.

You can read more about atheist morality in this post where I talk about Richard Dawkins’ support for extramarital affairs and infanticide. Like I said, if you’re an atheist, there is no evil and no good. It’s so strange to me when they try to make moral judgments. Like a monkey trying to write a novel. They act so outraged but really they have no standing to declare anything right or wrong. It’s not grounded in their worldview, and it’s important to understand what we are dealing with when we meet people who cannot distinguish right from wrong, and have no problem with coercing others against their consciences. It’s easy to see where Stalin and Mao came from, isn’t it?

7 thoughts on “How would gay marriage affect your marriage?”

  1. ”You definitely do not want to be found to be one of those people who made Christians feel ashamed of taking the teachings of Jesus on sexuality seriously on that day.”

    Unless you are Anti-theist. Then its completely just and right for them to be ashamed of Christ and his teachings on sexuality.


  2. This isn’t about the effect of gay marriage on your marriage, but it’s about the effect of your refusal to accept gay marriage on your economic situation.

    I want to know how somebody’s gay marriage affects my own heterosexual marriage. How will my relationship with my wife change due to two men somewhere being married to each other?


    1. Well, for one thing, it affects your community by affecting children:

      If you have children, your children have to live with people who were raised without their mother or without their father.
      And if you tell your children that marriage is between a man and a woman, look out. That may draw a response from the authorities.
      What they learn in school about marriage from teachers will also change, and what they learn about the gay lifestyle as well.


    2. It is going to change the norms of what marriage is. This is a stated goal of at least some of the advocates of gay marriage, especially the non-gay advocates of it. Basically, it’s going to be used as another lever to androgenize sex roles in marriage, de-emphasize the importance of monogamy in marriage, and so forth, by “importing” gay norms into heterosexual marriage.


    3. I want to know how somebody’s gay marriage affects my own heterosexual marriage. How will my relationship with my wife change due to two men somewhere being married to each other?

      Let’s walk back in time to the 1970’s, when divorce laws were essentially rewritten. The question then was, “Heck, how will the couple across the street divorcing affect my marriage? I don’t care what they do, they don’t care what I do”. Except that we know know divorce is contagious. Women spread it among their female networks. It’s pushed from all sides, and now we have a divorce rate of over 40%, and under men’s-fault rules, you can’t stop your wife when she wants out.

      Now, as for homogamy…
      For a start, homosexual male norms will be pushed as something to be included in all “modern” marriages. Homosexual men who are pretending to be married are well known for their affairs, they are not monogamous in any real sense of the word. Therefore, your wife will be whispered at from all sides “Affairs are normal. It’s not really cheating, it’s freedom” just as divorce whispers are the norm now.

      Failing to go along with any affairs she might want to have will be considered “abuse”. That means possible visits from the state authorities, and/or grounds for divorce with the usual cash and prizes awarded to her.

      So if you don’t mind being cuckolded, hey, life’s just fine. If you think that downgrading monogamous marriage to Friends With Benefits except that when she walks, you pay for it…then homogamy will cause more damage to the social structure, and no benefit to anyone, not even men who play house for a while.


  3. I’d love to ask an atheist: if that (your quote) is the case, but allows my DNA to get into the next generation, how can you call anything “evil”?


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