Why do some Christians think that government should provide free meals to children?

First, read this story from the Korea Herald.

Excerpt:

After months of political dispute, Seoul citizens will decide on free school meals in a vote on Wednesday. The referendum will ask voters to choose between providing free meals to all school students regardless of income straight away, as favored by Seoul City Council, or gradually covering students from the poorest 50 percent of households, as backed by Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon. At least one third of the electorate must vote for the result to be valid.

The road to this point has been fraught with controversy and division. In protest of Seoul City Council’s decision to implement a universal meals program, Oh earlier this year boycotted council meetings for six months, prompting the council to accuse Oh of a “dereliction of duty.” On Tuesday, Oh put his political career on the line, promising to step down as mayor should his proposal fail. For Oh and many conservatives, the vote is a last bid to safeguard the city’s finances from welfare populism. To many liberals, the referendum demonstrates more about Oh’s political ambitions than his principles. Where their conservative peers see waste in a universal program, they see inclusiveness that avoids stigmatizing poorer children. But in the end, the voters’ voice will be the one that matters.

The article features two opinions, pro and con.

Here is the pro excerpt:

We cannot stand by and watch classmates be divided between the well-off and the less well-off, nor can we stand idly by as some children feel ever more left out, branded “poor” by their own peers, and all because of school meals. The constitution of Korea is very clear in its declaration that compulsory education ought to be free as well.

And here is the con excerpt:

Kwak begins: “If we harbor the idea of universal welfare …”

This justifies suspicions that the goal is to establish a universal welfare program, not just to help poor kids. “Welfare populism” has defined the current election cycle, with Korean politicians pushing and shoving each other out of the way to announce the latest “free” or “half-free” proposal: “Free” school lunches, “free” medical services, “half-tuition,” “free” childcare.

I obviously agree with the second opinion. These hard-cases are regularly used as a way to push through full-blown socialism. Even many Christians fall for this, and have been tricked into voting for left-wing activists who went on to enact many objectionable things like taxpayer-funded abortion, taxpayer-funded sex changes, taxpayer-funded day care, taxpayer-funded IVF, etc.

Why would Christians support government-provided meals?

Recently I was listening to an interview with an apostate on the Unbelievable radio show. She is a pastor’s kid, listened to Christian music, went on short-term mission trips to Haiti to help the poor, (but no apologetics conferences – eww, yucky!), and did all kinds of Christian activities that would not help her to pass my screening questions at all . I don’t think she was ever a Christian, because I don’t think this happy-clappy pastor’s-kid sing-in-church stuff is any indication of having a Christian worldview.

Anyway, her stated reasons for her apostasy were as follows:

  • I don’t like that people aren’t equal financially (she said she annoyed her father by wearing a pin that said “Jesus was a socialist”, which, of course, he isn’t – unless you decide these questions based on feelings not facts)
  • I don’t like that people are not happy (she talked about the problem of suffering, and was annoyed that God was failing to give people happiness, which she assumed was his job because of her impressions of God from her happy-clappy worship music view of Christianity)
  • I don’t like the idea of a God who could punish people in Hell for disrespecting his existence and character (because knowing God as a real person and caring about his character when you make decisions is such a drag on her autonomy and her need for peer approval)
  • I don’t like some things that Jesus says that are mean (her examples were all misinterpretations of the text that a preschooler could solve)
  • I don’t like where the Bible says that men and women have different roles (she claimed to be a feminist in the interview, which provides a clue about what really happened)

This reminds me of when Lewis Wolpert said in his debate with William Lane Craig that God didn’t help him find his cricket bat so he became an atheist. What sort of investigation of the truth of Christian theism is possible for people who became atheists in their teens? None. They do it because they don’t like rules, and don’t like how the real world doesn’t fit with their emotions and intuitions about what God should be like. They don’t want answers, they want emotions and intuitions.

Often, when people say “God doesn’t prevent suffering”, what they really mean is that God didn’t meet their personal expectations for making them happy. And when they say , “God doesn’t prevent poverty”, what they really mean is that God didn’t give me lots of money for acting irresponsibly. They believed that they could act recklessly and that God would make their  emotional flights of fancy work out somehow. Just read my post on Dan Barker: this is not at all out of the ordinary.The air of intellectualism and critical thinking that atheists put on come much later after the wounded narcissism.

Atheism starts with wanting to be popular or a missing cricket bat. Dan Barker sang songs for most of his life – he was an uneducated man. He was in no position to become an atheist for intellectual reasons. As a young man, he invented a God in keeping with his fundamentalist praise and worship songs, and then he expected his golem-God to make him happy – which it didn’t. He rejected his caricature of God because it didn’t produce the expected benefits. If God can’t be what they want – happiness provider, money provider – then they quit. They are not in it to serve – but to be served.

I see this a lot where people choose to have romantic relationships with non-Christians, and it doesn’t work out. Instead of taking responsibility for breaking the rules while trying to get happiness, and realizing that Christianity isn’t there to make them happy, they blame their Santa Claus caricature of God for not giving them what they want.

And that’s why Christians support government-funded meals. They have this idea that God ought to be in the business of providing for our needs. Many of them fall away from the faith and become socialists when those expectations about God fail to prove out. So they look to government to change the world into something it isn’t. They have an intuition that the world should conform to their happy expectations. When God fails to deliver, they become atheists and turn to government as the solution to their problem. But is happiness really the goal of life?

Do Christian socialists really understand what Christianity is about?

But back to the government-provided school meals. Undoubtedly, this apostate socialist feminist from the radio show would favor the government taking over the duties of parents to feed their children.

But she isn’t alone. I would think that many Christian women also express delight at the idea of the government using family money to “help the poor”. I’ve heard opinions like this from a number of Christian women. They just think that Christianity is consistent with a secular government confiscating wealth and redistributing for secular purposes. Because Christianity isn’t about things like evangelism and private charity – it’s about people of all religions feeling good regardless of what they think about God. It’s also about people who make reckless and/or immoral decisions getting money from the government to make the consequences go away.

Christian socialists think that it’s better for a Christian family to give up their money and lose their ability to share the gospel as they meet the needs of others. Let government do it instead, and let government get the credit for helping the poor. The main point of Christianity, they think, is making people feel good regardless of what they believe and how they act – by means of wealth redistribution by a secular state.

Christianity is not about the equalization of wealth by government, or the elimination of suffering, or allowing people to be reckless and immoral and then feeling happy about what they’ve done. Christianity finds meaning in suffering – look at the example of Jesus – and Christianity is concerned with knowing God and making him known to others, and respected by others. Many Christians reject the real goals of Christianity and substitute alternative goals – and that’s why they are so open to socialism.

Christianity is about loving God and loving your neighbor. To love God you have to know him, integrate his values with your decision making and priorities. Loving your neighbor doesn’t mean shoveling money at them regardless of what they know about God or how bad their decisions are. Giving to your neighbor in the Bible is a private matter – not a government-run redistribution operation. You give SO THAT the recipient gets the better of your input and judgment.

The government in Canada hands out drug needles, and pays for abortions. Is that what Christianity is about? If it isn’t, then stop being suckered by extreme case sob stories and voting to hand more and more money to the government. They will never spend it as well as you will – so long as you think that how you spend money is ALSO under the authority of God. Many Christians don’t.

Are Christian socialist women ready for marriage and family?

To me, I take socialist convictions as if the woman is saying that she doesn’t want her husband to be the leader in the home, she wants to diminish his purchasing power, increase the uncertainty of his job, add to the national debt her children will pay, and to empower the government to get into the business of making more and more citizens dependent on the government instead of being dependent on parents or independent as adults. Many of these women also favor welfare for single mothers, and a whole host of other social programs.

Money that husbands earn is family money, not government money

One of my friends on Facebook who is a pro-life capitalist feminist (not a Christian) wrote this to me as a summary of how to understand what a woman means when she expresses support for government to provide meals to children so that they will be equal:

How about, “I want my husband to give his money to women who didn’t marry the fathers of their babies, rather than keeping it in our family.”

I, for one, am tired of children being used as bludgeons and shields by the Left to argue against any actual repercussions for their actions. While I don’t think that children should go hungry, and I can’t work up much anger at a state-funded (not federal-funded) school lunch for poor kids, but… reality is that parents work their butts off to give their kids advantages. My father didn’t work 80 hour weeks for someone else’s kid (well, he gives away a lot of time and money, but that’s his choice); he did it so that his four kids could have a stable life, food on the table, and college educations. Not so that some other brat he’s never met could have all of that.

Isn’t it amazing that non-Christian women actually acknowledge the importance of the male roles of father and husband more than the many Christian women? I find that amazing. Women who oppose socialism think that the results of my hard work are not better spent by Harriet Harman than by families. If families want to help the poor and to give God honor by being known to be Christians by those they help, good. If families want to share the gospel and answer questions with those they help, good. If families want to choose who to help based on their Christian worldview, good. But government does none of that, so they should not get family money.

And this is why I warn you Christian young men. Money is the fuel that you use to run your lives. It is the flour that you use to bake the bread that you will offer to God as a gift. A woman who thinks that the Christian life is about giving money to a secular government is not ready to marry. A Christian family can always spend their money better for Christ than a secular government.

Men: Do not assume that just because a woman likes baby pictures and weddings that she is qualified for marriage. Marriage is a very particular thing. Wanting it is not the same as being ready for it. Men are not sperm-donors, and they are not bank accounts. They do not exist to cater to the whims of women who want to feel good about themselves and the world. Men are there to execute their own plans to serve God, with help from women. My role is not to make a woman feel better by creating utopia here and now. I am a Christian man. I have Christian goals. Giving money that I earned to a secular government does not help me to achieve those goals. And a woman who thinks that the secular government should spend my money does not help me to achieve those goals.

Christian women especially ought to know this, but many don’t. They have completely given up on the Christian message of sin and forgiveness and reduced it to 1) being liked, 2) feeling good. Abandoning Christian particularism makes them feel liked by people in other religions, and redistributing the money of hard workers, including their own husbands, makes them feel good because government is helping the poor… to a taxpayer-funded abortion at Planned Parenthood. But that’s not Christianity.

Many, many women want this feeling of putting the world right. And since they don’t read about things like education vouchers and consumer-driven health care, they settle on the obvious, but incorrect, solution – reduce “inequality” by redistributing wealth through a secular government. They know nothing at all about the free market, and less still about how the free market works to solve social problems. They don’t read – they just feel. And then they are shocked when a bloated government starts to encroach on religious liberty, right to life, homeschooling, etc.

Christian men, listen. Just because a woman can sing hymns, prayer, dance, read the Bible, and attend church, it doesn’t mean that she has a Christian worldview. She can just be like that apostate on the Unbelievable show, having the form of Christianity, but without any real faith in God or knowledge of his character. She may not support God’s purposes of being known by all and honored by all. She may not support private charity instead of public social programs.

7 thoughts on “Why do some Christians think that government should provide free meals to children?”

  1. I do have a question to pose to you concerning your pro-life, but anti-support stand: What DO you do with children who live in poverty?

    If a family falls on hard times, do you confiscate their children and put them into adoption? Does the state pay for all the fees associated with this, including psychological support, proper education, and transportation? Would parents be able to “retrieve” their children after they’ve been adopted out if they are able to get back on their feet?

    Do we euthanize children who have become an unnecessary burden to families or the state, and begin enforcing mandatory hystorectamies on women below a certain pay grade?

    Or would it be better to ignore them altogether, and then tsk-tsk later on when those children starve (in the worst possible cases) or grow up to be nasty sorts of people?

    You can blame women all you’d like for bad decisions, but that doesn’t make the decision and its consequences go away. You can’t MAKE a man marry you, no more than you can MAKE his boss decide not to lay him off during company cut-backs. You can’t “undo” children.

    I have yet to hear of a proper solution from Republicans on how best to handle under-privileged children. It’s a fact of life. Not everyone who has a kid did so irresponsibly, or in an un-Christian manner, and NOBODY is safe from a disaster. If abortions are not allowed, and support is not allowed, what do we do with these children? Hope they catch the measles and die quietly, so long as its not in your front yard?

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  2. Sarah,

    Much of what Christ and the apostles instruction has been lost.

    As Christians, we are called to look after the orphans, poor, and widows and not build church buildings. This is true religion and a “light” to the world (consider Mother Theresa) and cannot be condemned. If the Christians were to do this, then government systems would be under condemnation. Because, we are not attending to the poor, orphans, widows, and focusing on “ourselves” we as a body do not have a voice ( actions speak louder than words).

    The answer is not with Republicans or Democrats. The standard of living today for the entire world is higher than any century before ( consider a child having a tv in their bedroom – that is higher standard of any king prior to the 19th century).

    It is far easier to be a living testimony when a person is giving / helping the poor ( consider Dorcas in Acts 9 and Cornelius in Acts 10) this than preach from a pulpit on Sunday or sit though a service.

    Btw, remember when Jesus fed the 5000 with a few fishes & loaves of bread from a small boy? That is much of what real discipleship is like. Soon as we (I) come to Christ with what we have (very little), He takes it, breaks it, and multiplies it, and feeds multitudes.

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    1. I disagree with pretty much all or all of this.

      I actually think that the focus on doing good works and making people feel good at the expense of theology and apologetics causes a lot of people to leave the faith and take up big government instead.

      Mike and I are in opposite corners.

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  3. WK, I think you might be misunderstanding my intention.

    I believe that Christianity has been sold as a “ticket” or “What God will do for me” by a untrue witness vs a change that is totally demanding. As a result, people won’t stay because they can’t (worldliness, lust, self will, Recall, there was only 1 soil that yielded a harvest).
    With that being said, they will default into worldly thinking and take up government by default.

    Allow me to illustrate:
    After Christ feed the 5000, He intentionally taught something that was forbidden by the Torah.
    He then had the largest back door revival ever recored.
    All but 12, out of the 5000 plus people left Him.
    Imo, that is not a attempt to make people ‘feel good”, in fact, quite the opposite.

    I agree with you – Christian discipleship isn’t about making people feel good. It is about doing Gods will, righteousness, and bearing a true witness of God.
    This has a effect on people- they will either turn to God or persecute you. Sorry to say, but out of death come life (persecution & resurrection is a central message – there are plenty of bloodied foot prints of martyrs that have paved the way – John 15:20).
    In fact religion and politics always “murders” the prophets, Christ, and apostles.

    The great commission is go and make disciples, baptize, and observe the commandments of Jesus (Matt 28). Not to make people feel good.

    In terms of public programs – no where in Christian history has the church asked for help from the secular government (Nor should it).

    In review of the The History and Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbons – the Roman government tolerated Christianity because it took the “dregs” of society and turned them into productive citizens. That is a huge “witness” to any country. No social program, no tax money, no help. Further, all accomplished by a decentralized & persecuted Christian community ( quite a big difference when God leads vs. man).

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  4. I have a different view to Wintery Knight about issues such as these; by the way, I am pro-life and I have moral objections to IVF (primarily in the wasted embryos produced, which is basically just an extension of the pro-life position), and I am a Christian living in the UK. It seems to me that loving our neighbour (which is quite plausibly the primary mechanism for loving God) ought to be amongst our chief aims as Christians. As the parable of the Good Samaritan suggests, the word, ‘neighbour’ is not limited, and, just as God does good to all people, we ought to show love and grace to all people without exception (loving enemies etc.); this is an extension (and goes further) than the Golden Rule. Such activity and charity is certainly pleasing to God, whether acting upon an impoverished child of a Muslim background, or of a Christian background, or of an atheist background.

    Is it OK for the government of a country to perform charitable deeds? It seems obvious that encouraging governments to perform charitable deeds is a good thing – it is loving to other people, and would certainly please God. The opposite approach may be encourage indifference in the government; yet, how would this at all fit into such charity as is so clearly encouraged by Jesus? A charitable government, rather than a repressive or indifferent government, ought to be what we seek. Yes, it is possible that such a government may conversely also perform poor actions in other areas, but does this mean that the charitable part shouldn’t be encouraged (and the harmful part argued against)? Certainly not!

    Such money which the government would use, of course, would largely be from taxpayers. The question is: is it OK to further compassionate values in a country by paying higher tax, even though this gives the individual less money (which could theoretically be used for charity (but also could be used to buy cigarettes))? I would say an emphatic yes! The type of service I refer to here includes provision for free at the point of service healthcare (in which area I find the NHS in the UK absolutely wonderful as a mechanism for being compassionate to the poor, and something that is certainly worthwhile), and, in the above example, provision for free school meals. Raising taxes, of course, reduces an individual’s “hard-earned cash”, but, if this furthers helping the poor in general, isn’t it unquestionably worth it? We shouldn’t be seeking what we feel we ‘deserve’ or have ‘earned’, but the loving service of God through the service of others. The money may otherwise have been used for charity, but (more probably) would be spent on an object or activity that has less benefit to the poor than had it been taken in taxes. Of course, we need to ensure that the government is using the money well (and a few examples of where it isn’t does not abrogate instances where poor individuals have been helped).

    In these ways, I would say that involving the government in providing services to the poor is an excellent step to take, perfectly in line with the Christian care for the poor. Yes, it means that there aren’t as many adults and children suffering that we can give money to directly, but oughtn’t our aim be to act in love rather than just increasing the amount of personal charity that we do? The reason why I feel particularly emphatically about this issue is that it seems to me that not providing such services ends up in horrendous situations where (for example) the child of a poor family is refused high-quality treatment because of a lack of good medical insurance, or a child is given poor-quality food for lunch as the family cannot afford to pay for school meals. It seems obvious that encouraging the government to help the poor in society is certainly a good thing; we should not scorn the poor that are helped by the government as ‘brats that we’ve never met’, but should be pleased for the government help them, even if it involves self-sacrifice of higher taxes.

    We should ask: does providing a service such as healthcare or free school meals to the poor help further values of love and compassion? I would say that the answer to this is an emphatic yes, and hence that, if it helps promote goodness and compassion in society, government-funded initiatives are certainly a good thing. This is especially the case as high taxes rarely prevents anyone doing anything (except going, perhaps, on an expensive holiday), especially sharing the Gospel (which is often very low cost indeed) or most other Christian activities.

    In addition, I have to say that I really disagree with stereotyping people who’ve left Christianity, or making presumptions about their motives, or stereotyping Christian women who support socialism (or possibly more accurately, supporting the idea that the government should help the poor in more ways than they currently do). In addition, I don’t think that the government should be stopped from helping the poor simply because it may have in the past ended up with bad policies such as government-funded abortions (which I disagree with). Also, just as education is provided freely to children, it is perfectly acceptable to provide other services, and this does not mean that ‘full-blown’ socialism has to take hold.

    Anyway, best wishes and blessings!

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    1. Yes, this is the view of non-Christians. Insofar as you back big government, you are not pro-life. Insofar as you back big government, you are not anti-IVF. Insofar as you back big government, yo uare not pro-marriage. And so on.

      if social justice is your religion, why mention Christianity at all? You’re not one. You want to make people happy. If that was God’s goal, we would would all be happy. But we’re not. Clearly, he is capable of making us happy if he wanted to. So your goal, and God’s goals, are not the same.

      More than that, your view is not even Biblical. The Bible supports people working and sharing with others. You support welfare and wealth redistribution. Wake up. Government doesn’t perform charitable deeds – they take one person’s money against their will and give it to someone else in order to buy votes.

      In your country, the government takes money from working families and provides breast implants to women who have low self-esteem because of their bust size. Is God pleased with that? On your view, he would be. In fact, you would rather that Christians pay for breast implants than keep that money for hosting William Lane Craig to debate an atheist at Oxford or Cambridge.

      If you favor letting a secular leftist government enact single-payer health care, then you favor taxpayer-funded abortions, and all the rest. In the real world, where you and I live, supporting single-payer means supporting abortion, IVF, and breast implants at taxpayer expense. That’s your view – you support that. Can a Christian advocate for subsidizing abortion, which encourages more people to have abortions by reducing the cost of abortion? Can a Christian advocate replacing fathers with welfare checks resulting in more children being raised fatherless? What Bible are you reading? The Communist Manifesto?

      And you also support government schools educating children with sex education and Darwinism. Is your comment a joke comment from Richard Dawkins? Why do you keep claiming to be a Christian when your entire worldview undermines the Christian life? Christians value chastity and God taking an active role in creating and designing the universe. You oppose both of those by supporting taxpayer-funded secular education via government schools. You want Christian families to pay to teach children that Christian morals and truth claims are false. Furthermore, you are opposed to low-income children having a choice to go to a better private or charter school by using a voucher, because you favor unionized teachers who don’t have to perform in order to get paid.

      Furthermore, you support the government expanding and restricting the rights of Christians to disagree with things like same-sex marriage. You favor the persecution of Christians because you are in favor of government collecting more money to make more people “happy”. If you want the SECULAR government to decide how to make people happy, instead of individuals and families, then that’s what you get. You actively support persecuting Christians and undermining marriage and family because of your ignorance of economics and politics.

      The first commandment is to love God, not your neighbor. You’ve got it backwards. If you care about the poor, and you should, then you help them without your own money. Avoid the mistakes made by the secular government, which DOES NOT share Christian morals or priorities.

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