The drowning stranger illustration challenges atheistic morality

Learning about right and wrong, good and evil
Learning about right and wrong, good and evil

This is by Matt from Well Spent Journey blog.

Excerpt:

Here’s a thought experiment.

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Imagine that you’re a healthy, athletic, 20-year-old male. It’s the morning after a thunderstorm, and you’re standing on the banks of a flooded, violently churning river.

You notice an object floating downstream.

As it moves closer, you suddenly realize that this object is a person. The head breaks the surface, and you see a panic-stricken elderly woman gasping for air. You’ve never met her before, but vaguely recognize her as an impoverished widow from a neighboring village.

You look around for help, but there’s no one in sight. You have only seconds to decide whether or not to jump in after her – recognizing that doing so will put your own life in significant peril.

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Is it rational for you to risk your life to save this stranger? Is it morally good to do so?

For the Christian, both of these questions can be answered with an emphatic “yes”.

The Christian is called to emulate the example set forth by Jesus, who not only risked, but sacrificed his life for the sake of others. The Christian believes that the soul is eternal, and that one’s existence doesn’t come to an abrupt end with death.  Additionally, he can point to the examples of countless Christian martyrs who have willingly sacrificed their own lives.

For the secular humanist, the answers to these questions are much more subjective. When I previously asked 23 self-identifying atheists, “Is it rational for you to risk your life to save a stranger?” only 4 of them responded with an unqualified “yes”.

Biologically speaking, the young man in our scenario has nothing to gain by jumping after the drowning woman. Since she’s poor and elderly, there are no conceivable financial or reproductive advantages involved. Evolutionary biologists often speak of “benefit to the tribe” as a motivation for self-sacrifice…yet the young man’s community would certainly place greater practical value on his life than that of a widow from a neighboring village.

Secular humanists argue that people are capable of making ethical decisions without any deity to serve as Moral Lawgiver. On a day-to-day basis, this is undeniably true. We all have non-religious friends and neighbors who live extremely moral and admirable lives.

In the scenario above, however, secular ethics break down. The secular humanist might recognize, intuitively, that diving into the river is a morally good action. But he has no rational basis for saying so. The young man’s decision is between empathy for a stranger (on the one hand) and utilitarian self-interest & community-interest (on the other).

In the end, there can be no binding moral imperatives in the absence of a Moral Lawgiver. If the young man decides to sit back and watch the woman drown, the secular humanist cannot criticize him. He’s only acting rationally.

When I read this, I was of one of the questions from one of my earliest posts, where I list a dozen interview questions to ask atheists. His question is very much like one of my questions. You may like the others in my list, as well.

It seems to me that on atheism, the only answer you can give for why you would do the right thing is “because it makes me happy”. And as we see with abortion – 56 million unborn children dead – it very often doesn’t make atheists happy to save someone else’s life. Not if it means any infringement on their own happiness. Every time an atheist votes Democrat, they are voting to declare that people who get in their way should not be saved. And atheists (the “nones”, anyway) are one of the largest Democrat voting blocs. According to the 2012 Secular Census, 97% of secularists deny that unborn children have a right to life. And the 2013 Gallup poll found that “nones”, people with no religion, are most likely to be pro-abortion. (Note that “nones” are not necessarily atheists, they may have some beliefs, but they are not observant). It’s not rational to inconvenience yourself to save others on atheism. You have one life to live, be happy, survival of the fittest.

6 thoughts on “The drowning stranger illustration challenges atheistic morality”

  1. Easier to avoid responsibility for the now and the accountability of later. Which makes it easier to view oneself as always the victim and not the culprit.

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  2. Interesting, thank you. Something to take note of, risking one’s life is only rational and moral if one recognizes the existence of our higher selves. If one instead perceives people as a meaningless clump of cells, then it is both irrational and immoral to sacrifice yourself on their behalf. It becomes as irrational as sacrificing yourself to preserve a table lamp.

    I have a somewhat humorous on-going discussion with some atheists that someone may find entertaining.

    The Parody of Naked Apes

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  3. My positive evidentialist atheist friend asked some good questions on this:

    “Did he interview Christians? What percent responded with an unqualified yes?

    So what about all of the firemen, police, emergency medical, etc? Do they have a disproportionate percent of believers compared to the general population? I don’t know, but if the bravery hypothesis is correct then I would expect to see that.”

    I would expect to see a difference between nominal, country club, Christians and committed Christians with respect to both sets of his questions, and that would be nice to measure too – by level of commitment. But, both sets of questions are super, IMO, even if they mix ontology with sociology a bit. Any ideas?

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    1. “Did he interview Christians? What percent responded with an unqualified yes?

      So what about all of the firemen, police, emergency medical, etc? Do they have a disproportionate percent of believers compared to the general population? I don’t know, but if the bravery hypothesis is correct then I would expect to see that.”

      The questions wasn’t “would you” the questions were “is it rational (according to atheism)? And “is it morally good (according to atheism rationally grounded in what)?
      The my other question is what do these professions believe about afterlife? Do they think if they do something good they’ll go to heaven (because after all I’m not such a bad person!) or do they think they will leave a legacy of heroism?

      My thought is they’d like to say “yes” to look like a “good person” but they have no rational grounding when you lay it out that way as to why they “ought” to, which is what I think the questions are really exposing.

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