What my relationship with God is like

I regularly take my non-Christian co-workers and friends out for lunch to check on how their worldviews are coming along, and last week a comment I made at the table seemed to really get one friend’s attention. (The last time I got his attention like this, I had said that the example of Jesus’ life is instructive for us because it shows that it is OK to suffer for doing the right thing, and that it is not God’s job to save you in this life. Life isn’t about happiness. It’s about suffering for your allegiance to God). I can always tell when I hit a nerve because the person repeats what I said back to me.

So anyway, this time I said “When it comes to God, there are only two kinds of people. The first kind wants a real relationship with the real God who is there, even if this involves self-denial, self-sacrifice, and suffering. The second kind doesn’t want a relationship with God – they want to be happy in this life and invent new standards of meaning and morality based on their personal preferences that justifies their selfishness.” The context was that I was talking about how I was changing my mother’s approach to religious questions.

So, here’s how a relationship with God might develop, based partly on my experiences:

  1. You start off as a non-Christian with no interest in God.
  2. You attend to your regular life first by studying, working, eating, sleeping, etc.. Eventually, your situation is secure and comfortable enough that you begin to ask yourself the big questions in life. Does God exist? Is morality real? What is the purpose if life?
  3. You take some of your free recreation time and try to investigate these questions. This would involve studying world religions, science and history to determine which religion best satisfies the laws of logic and the facts in the external world.
  4. You decide God exists because of the cosmological and moral arguments, and you decide that Jesus is authoritative because of the historical case for the resurrection of Jesus.
  5. You realize you are in full rebellion against God and cannot hope to change this rebellion short of being “born again”, which would involve getting forgiveness and undergoing a radical re-prioritization of your life goals. You accept the sacrifice of Christ on the cross as payment for your sins.
  6. You scour the New Testament and theology books to find out more about what the character of God is really like, and you test everything you discover against the Bible, church history and the works of solid Christian scholars.
  7. You read about characters in the Bible like Caleb, Daniel, Joshua, Paul. You say to yourself “other people aren’t always happy when you stick up for God” and “God doesn’t always make everything work out for you in this life, when you obey him”.
  8. You start to get a feel for what God is like. There is no talking to God or hearing from God, or emotional highs during worship. You learn more by reading more about him and talk to people who are stronger Christians. You learn what he likes, what he doesn’t like. You begin to appreciate that God is different from you. You realize that God is trying to change you, which scares you a little. You say yes to God more and more, just because he is so interested in you, and because he is so intent on trying to change you. For some reason, his demands don’t seem to be too objectionable, and there is always forgiveness when you fail.
  9. You find that it is easier and easier to stick to moral rules in the New Testament, because of the sympathy you have for God. You are less and less interested in trying to achieve happiness in the here and now. Things you used to like doing don’t seem to be as interesting as things that you do as part of your relationship with God. You find that opportunities to do things relevant to your relationship with God become more frequent.
  10. You talk to non-Christians about God and realize that no one else is interested in whether God exists, or what he is like. You have less and less sympathy for other people and their selfish desire to be happy. You feel less and less pressure to change what you believe to make these other people comfortable – after all, they lost every argument with you since they have no arguments or evidence. You  wonder why other people don’t investigate these things rigorously, instead of just trying to be happy all the time. They are busy doing other things.
  11. Sometimes, the worldly success of non-Christians makes you feel inadequate. They have more time for getting ahead because they don’t take any time out for a relationship with God. But you stick with God anyway, and try to encourage these non-Christians to devote more time and effort to developing their worldview more carefully. You keep trying to love these other people, and tell them the truth with reasons and evidence, but the more they rebel against God, the more you find the doctrine of Hell is acceptable to you.
  12. You start making a long-term plan about something you want to achieve for God, e.g. – you plan to get two Ph.Ds in Physics and Philosophy from Stanford and Oxford, learn to debate like William Lane Craig, and defeat Richard Dawkins in a public debate, thus dealing atheism a blow from which it will never recover. (My actual plan is described here) This plan isn’t just dull stuff like following the ten commandments and other moral rules. This is different. This is you planning out something completely new. Your plan is consistent with Bible, but it goes beyond the rules. It’s not a private plan. It’s not meant to make you feel happy. It’s a public plan. It’s designed to be effective.
  13. You love your plan. You smile, laugh and whistle a lot everywhere you go because you are so excited about your plan. People think you are very happy, but you actually feel sad, lonely and worried about being silenced or persecuted by the secular left. The plan is a lot of work, and you could do a much better job of pursuing happiness if you just dropped the whole thing. But you don’t.
  14. Your entire family and most of your friends, including other Christians, don’t recognize or value your plan. The Church opposes you at every turn, thinking that Christianity is about ignoring apologetics and theology, and making non-Christians feel happy about their rebellion against God. You notice that not everyone approves of your priorities, but you keep going with your plan anyway.
  15. You test to see if God is interested in supporting your plan by taking some small steps and watching to see if you are successful. You are successful, but progress is very slow.
  16. You give up more and more of your happiness and selfishness as you work steadily on your plan. You face opposition from non-Christians who attack you in the academy and the workplace. You face opposition from fake Christians who vote for laws and policies that rob you of your wealth and your rights, including the rights of free speech and religious liberty. Everyone who knows you well likes you, but they don’t really seriously seek after God. People who don’t know know you well sometimes persecute you because they are offended by your disagreement with them.
  17. You only achieve a tiny measure of what you set out to do before dying.
  18. On the day of Judgment, you get a resurrection body and eternal life with your best Friend. The appearance of your resurrection body reflects the plan that you chose, and everyone in Heaven recognizes you at last. You meet all the people who helped you. And you meet all the people who you helped. It turns out that you had an impact far beyond what you had thought when you were alive.
  19. Every sacrifice that you made on Earth that seemed so terrible to bear is repaid by God many time over in ways you could never imagine.
  20. Finally, for the first time in your life, you are truly happy.

Does this sound like you? If it does, then we’re on the same battlefield. Put your back to mine and let’s stand together.

But the Consul’s brow was sad, and the Consul’s speech was low,
And darkly looked he at the wall, and darkly at the foe.
“Their van will be upon us before the bridge goes down;
And if they once might win the bridge, what hope to save the town?”

Then out spoke brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate:
“To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late;
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods,

And for the tender mother who dandled him to rest,
And for the wife who nurses his baby at her breast,
And for the holy maidens who feed the eternal flame,
To save them from false Sextus, that wrought the deed of shame?

Hew down the bridge, Sir Consul, with all the speed ye may!
I, with two more to help me, will hold the foe in play.
In yon strait path, a thousand may well be stopped by three:
Now, who will stand on either hand and keep the bridge with me?

Here are some lectures that helped me to form my views about the Christian life. My testimony is here.

3 thoughts on “What my relationship with God is like”

  1. Another great post, WK.

    I’ve been a believer for most of my life, since early childhood, baptized around 17 years old, and finally discovered apologetics around 5 years ago. I was fortunate to be raised in a Christian home, but the area in which I grew up was dominated by very conservative people. The “Sunday Christian” kind, who believed and worshiped on Sunday, but then stabbed each other in the backs through their businesses the rest of the week. Eventually I reached a point where I needed to have more sound reasoning than just blind faith, and I had no good answers while I was in college and would get into discussions about beliefs and religion with atheists, or people of other faiths. I needed to know it was true on more grounds than just spiritually “knowing.”

    Fast-forward to now and I’m still in a very small town conservative community, not far from where I grew up. It’s not where I want to be, but I think it’s where I’m supposed to be, as I find myself with time that I’ve been spending on building my knowledge of apologetics and relationship with God, and studying music (I’ve been a drummer for 14 years, it’s probably my favorite thing to do, along with riding my motorcycle in summer).

    Do you ever get a restless feeling, WK? I’ve had this restless feeling within me ever since graduating high school. I can move or change jobs and it goes away for a few months, and then it’s right back again. Like I’m not where I need to be. I’ve learned to live with it and attributed it to simply not belonging in this world, but I always found it interesting that it would never go away.

    It’s interesting reading about your plan. That’s kind of why I’m commenting. I’m 27 years old, and by now most people have a clear idea of what they want to do with their life. I still only have vague ideas and often wrestle with myself on what I should really be doing with my life, how to best use it for God’s benefit. Some people generalize it and say “work hard and refine what you’re really good at and what your passions are and let God use them,” and to some extent I agree. We’ve all got our talents and strengths and I feel I’ve been given a musical gift, as well as a sharp mind. Currently I’m a network admin for an insurance company.

    My real question is, how did you develop your plan? I want to be on the right track, and I guess I feel like I could go in 2 directions, musically pursuing those ends, or going back to school to pursue some sort of degree/doctorate/whatever on a philosophical level of some sort.

    My real grand scheme is to combine the 2 into some kind of magnum philosophical opus of apologetic goodness designed to get people to ask questions about their lives and what they truly mean in the universe. I think that’d be super cool! In turn it would cause them to turn further to the known philosophers/scientists of the past and present to investigate questions further and further, ultimately causing people to realize the truth and result in the conversion of thousands (millions?) for the Lord!

    Sorry, back to reality. How do you know you’ve got the *right* plan? Is there a way to be sure? I’m trying to maintain an attitude that if God thinks I’ll be most useful feeding pigs I’ll go do that, but is there a way to know? Or at least come close?

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    1. I went back and reread your steps and I guess part of that is related to point 15, starting on it and seeing if you’re successful. So far it’s coming along, but like your plan, it’s slow going and there is much more to be done.

      :-)

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    2. I try not to think about what my talents are, and especially not what I like or don’t like. I try to instead study the things that I think are most effective. If I had my life to do over, I would have focused more on physics and philosophy, as well as practical programming and blogging. I wish that I had known back then what was useful so I could have worked on that.

      To find out what is useful, I watched a lot of debates and talk to non-Christians. I think you need to spend time listening to their actual objections and also reading the news to see where they are attacking. It also helps to study the Bible and theology to understand what God is thinking – what is his will for us and how is that being challenged by “speculations” like evolution and feminism. As soon as you see what the otehr side is up to, then you can commit your time to studying there so that you can be ready with a defense.

      While investigating that, if you have a good job in IT it may be useful to think about sponsoring scholars you like a teeny bit. That’s what I do. Not much, just a little here and there. I recommend the Discovery Institute and Reasonable Faith.

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