Free Mark Steyn linked to eight of my posts today, so I went over there to see what else he found. Canadian writer Deborah Gyapong linked to a debate play-by-play between Alvin Plantinga and Daniel Dennett.
First off, the audio of the debate is here.
Here is an excerpt from the play-by-play, which has drawn over 100 comments so far:
The debate was between Alvin Plantinga and Daniel Dennett. Plantinga is one of the founders of the Society of Christian Philosophers and one of the fathers of the current desecularization of philosophy. He is widely regarded – even by his critics – as one of the finest epistemologists of the last fifty years and one of the finest philosophers of religion since the Medieval period. Daniel Dennett is one of the New Atheists and is a well-known proponent of atheistic Darwinism and critic of religion. He is widely regarded – even by his critics – as one of the most important early philosophers of mind that opened the field to cognitive science and evolutionary biology. He has contributed enormously to the serious study of the mind and its relationship to the brain. Both philosophers are over sixty and perhaps at the height of their philosophical powers. They have also faced off before but, as far as I know, not in person.
It looks like Plantinga presented on his argument that rationality is incompatible with naturalism and evolution. I actually heard him present this paper live, and the phrase “the probability of R on N and E” is seared into my memory. Here is another excerpt:
Plantinga was the presenter. The session asked the question of whether science and religion were compatible. Plantinga argues that they are and that in fact the scientific theory taken to be most incompatible with religion – evolutionary theory – is not only compatible with Christian theism (the religious view Plantinga defends) but is incompatible with Christian theism’s most serious opponent in the scientific world – naturalism. Naturalism is the view that physics and the sciences can give a complete description of reality. Plantinga defines it as the view that there is no God or anything like God.
Here’s the conclusion of the play-by-play:
On another note, I walked around and listened to various conversations (not eavesdropping really, just listening for loud reactions to the session). The Christian philosophers were particularly interesting. They were not upset, surprised or even moved. They were wholly unphased. They were so unphased that they weren’t even discussing the session. I was floored at Dennett’s behavior but they reacted as if Dennett’s hateful, childish behavior was to be expected. I thought they would be upset, but from what I can tell they simply expected Dennett to compare theistic belief to holocaust denial and to advocate murdering the Almighty. I guess I was wrong to expect more from him.
In my estimation, Plantinga won hands down because Dennett savagely mocked Plantinga rather than taking him seriously. Plantinga focused on the argument, and Dennett engaged in ridicule. It is safe to say that Dennett only made himself look bad along with those few nasty naturalists that were snickering at Plantinga. The Christians engaged in no analogous behavior. More engagements like this will only expand the ranks of Christian philosophers and increase the pace of academic philosophy’s desecularization.
If you guys are into debates, I highly recommend William Lane Craig debates here. Plantinga doesn’t debate much, but there is this book-debate he did recently, that I haven’t checked out yet. Dennett debated twice before that I know of, first, against that wimpy microbiologist Alister McGrath as part of the Greer-Heard series here, and against Dinesh D’Souza here.
I’m not an academic but a Christian who feels theistic evolution is a cop out to evolution. With this in mind I emailed Alvin Plantinga about this really not expecting a reply from this world renowned Christian philosopher. To my surprise I not only had a reply from him in person but we also had a very short dialogue on my questions. I found him to be a very generous man and though I still wasn’t convinced about theistic evolution, it was a privilege to debate with him. Our love for the Lord is what binds us Christians doctrine will always come a poor second.
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Hey, I am not sure that Plantinga really believes in the sufficiency of mutation and selection to account for the diversity of life. I think what he is saying is that for those who believe in fully-naturalistic, molecules to man, unguided evolution, they have no reason to rust that this process produces minds that are capable of rational thought. All evolution does according to evolutionists (and I don’t think it does this – I only believe in microevolution, evolution that is observable) is select for those who leave the most descendants.
On another note, I am not at all surprised that you got a response. The top rung of Christian scholars like Alvin Plantinga, Henry F. Schaefer and Walter L. Bradley seem to really show their faith by dropping everything to help people move towards God. I know I do the same – what matters is loving your neighbor and taking time with them to tell them the truth. God sees to it that I am never too busy for 1 on 1 conversation, and I even buy the eatibles!
What matters is reconciling people with God. And that is what matters most.
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Frank, I agree with your final statement concerning Christian doctrine.
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I’m afraid that the commentator you quote here doesn’t give a fair picture of Dennett. The consequence of his sensitivity to criticism of theism was that he missed most of the points behind Dennett’s comparisions and analogies, and this is evident to anyone who takes the trouble to compare the audio with his commentary.
For example, Dennett did indeed compare the theist’s story with holocaust denial. However, the force of his argument was not that guided evolution and denial of the holocaust were morally similar, but that both gave extravagant stories to explain the phenomena when none were needed.
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