Can atheists know whether God has a reason for allowing pain and suffering?

This tiny little thing is a No-See-Um
This tiny little thing is a No-See-Um

Have you heard about the terrible noseeums? Then read on, for Steven Cowan will tell you about them.

Intro:

The problem of evil is no doubt the most serious challenge to belief in God. Even religious believers find it troubling that evil exists in the world—and so much evil! It is puzzling, to say the least, that an all-powerful, absolutely good being would allow evil to exist in his creation. And yet it does. Evil and suffering exist and they are often overwhelming in their magnitude. Consider the recent Tsunami in the Indian Ocean that took the lives of almost 200,000 people. Consider as well the infamous Nazi Holocaust in which millions of Jews and others were mercilessly slaughtered. Moreover, we can watch the evening news on almost any day and hear of people in our neighborhoods being robbed, beaten, and murdered. How and why could God allow such things?

Excerpt:

However, perhaps God’s existence is incompatible with a certain kind of evil that exists. For example, the atheist William Rowe has argued that God’s existence is inconsistent with pointless or gratuitous evil. By “pointless evil,” Rowe means evil that does not and cannot serve a greater good. And Rowe believes that there is such pointless evil in the world. He thus concludes that God does not exist. Rowe’s argument may be simply stated as follows:

  1. If God exists, there would be no pointless evil.
  2. There is pointless evil.
  3. Therefore, God does not exist.

[…]But, is there pointless evil in the world? Rowe thinks there is. To show that there is pointless evil, Rowe introduces what he calls the “noseeum inference.” Like the pesty little bugs that some readers may be familiar with, a “noseeum” is something that you cannot see—it is a “no-see-um.” And a noseeum inference is a conclusion drawn on the basis of what one does not see. The basic structure of all noseeum inferences looks like this:

  1. I cannot see an x.
  2. Therefore, there probably is no x.

We all make noseeum inferences everyday of our lives. Every time I go to cross a street, I look both ways and I step out into the street only after I “no-see-um” a car coming.

[…]Rowe applies this kind of noseeum reasoning to God and evil. Rowe suggests that if we cannot see a reason for a particular instance of evil, then there is probably not a reason. Suppose we hear about a very young child who is tortured to death to amuse some psychotic person. We think about this event and we examine all the circumstances surrounding it. No matter how hard we try, we cannot see any good reason why this child had to suffer the way she did. Since we cannot see a reason why God would allow this child to suffer, there probably is not a good reason—the child’s suffering was pointless. Of course, Rowe would be quick to point out that he is not speaking merely hypothetically. There are cases like this in the news every day—real-life cases in which we shake our heads in frustration, wondering why God would allow such a thing.

Is Rowe correct in his conclusion? Do such examples prove that there is pointless evil in the world? I don’t think so. To see why, we must recognize that noseeum inferences are not all created equal. Some noseeum inferences, as we have seen, are reasonable and appropriate. But, many are not. Suppose I look up at the night sky at the star Deneb and I do not see a planet orbiting that star. Would it be reasonable for me to conclude that there is no planet orbiting Deneb? Of course not. Suppose that using the best telescopes and other imaging equipment presently available, I still cannot see a planet around Deneb. I would still be unjustified in concluding that there was no such planet.

To know that any given instance of evil or suffering is gratuitous/pointless requires a high level of knowledge. How much knowledge? Well, consider this paper by the late William Alston of Syracuse University, who lists six problems with the idea that humans can know that any particular instance of evil and suffering is gratuitous. Humans just do not have the capability to know for certain that God has NO morally sufficient reason for allowing any particular instance of evil and/or suffering. God’s morally sufficient reason is a noseeum. Just because we don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there, and the burden of proof is on the person who says there is NO morally sufficient reason. They’re making the claim, they have to shoulder the burden of proof.

By the way, I HAVE the PDF of the William Alston paper. But I can’t post it publicly because it’s copyrighted.

However, here is a summary of his argument: (it’s unnecessarily wordy – this is not Thomas Sowell or Theodore Dalrymple writing this)

The recent outpouring of literature on the problem of evil has materially advanced the subject in several ways. In particular, a clear distinction has been made between the “logical” argument against the existence of God (“atheological argument”) from evil, which attempts to show that evil is logically incompatible with the existence of God, and the “inductive” (“empirical”, “probabilistic”) argument, which contents itself with the claim that evil constitutes (sufficient) empirical evidence against the existence of God. It is now acknowledged on (almost) all sides that the logical argument is bankrupt, but the inductive argument is still very much alive and kicking.

In this paper I will be concerned with the inductive argument. More specifically, I shall be contributing to a certain criticism of that argument, one based on a low estimate of human cognitive capacities in a certain application. To indicate the point at which this criticism engages the argument, I shall use one of the most careful and perspicuous formulations of the argument in a recent essay by William Rowe (1979).

  1. There exist instances of intense suffering which an omnipotent, omniscient being could have prevented without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse. ,
  2. An omniscient, wholly good being would prevent the occurrence of any intense suffering it could, unless it could not do so without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
  3. There does not exist an omnipotent, omniscient, wholly good being (p. 336).

Let’s use the term ‘gratuitous suffering’ for any case of intense suffering, E, that satisfies premise 1, that is, which is such that an omnipotent, omniscient being could have prevented it without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.’

[…]The criticism I shall be supporting attacks the claim that we are rationally justified in accepting 1, and it does so on the grounds that our epistemic situation is such that we are unable to make a sufficiently well grounded determination that 1 is the case. I will call this, faute de mieux, the agnostic thesis, or simply agnosticism. The criticism claims that the magnitude or complexity of the question is such that our powers, access to data, and so on are radically insufficient to provide sufficient warrant for accepting 1.And if that is so, the inductive argument collapses.

What the atheist has to show is that God could have prevented some instance of evil that appears to be pointless without losing any overall goodness. I.e. – suppose someone gets sick and has to stay home instead of going to a party. The person is suffering, but how do we know that God isn’t justified in allowing this suffering? What if, by allowing this suffering, God protects the person from being killed by a drunk driver? If the atheist says that there cannot be ANY moral justification for allowing the suffering, he has to be able to know what would happen in the future to know that nothing good would never come out of it. That’s the burden of proof on the atheist, and Alston claims that the atheist is not in a position to know that.

Also, remember that on the Christian view, the good aim that God has is NOT to make humans have happy feelings in this life, regardless of their knowledge, wisdom and character. That’s what atheists think, though. They think that God, if he exists, is obligated to make them feel happy all the time. They don’t think that God’s goal is being actively involved in forming their knowledge, wisdom and character. God has a purpose – to work in the world so that everyone who can freely respond to him will respond to him. The Bible says that allowing pain and suffering is one of the ways that he gets that group of people who are willing to respond to respond to him – FREELY. To be able to claim that evil is gratuitous, the atheist has to show that God can achieve his goal of saving all the people he wants to save while permitting less suffering in the world. And that is a very difficult thing for an atheist to show, given our human cognitive limitations.

But as I said before, atheist confuse the purpose of life. They think that the purpose of life is to have happy feelings, and they wonder “how could allowing me to suffer create MORE happy feelings?” And that’s where the problem arises. They can’t accept the idea that God has a right to form their character, to put them through certain experiences, and to place humans in times and places where he can orchestrate a world that meets his needs, not our needs.

You can hear William Lane Craig use the noseeum inference in his debate with Walter Sinnott-Armstrong on the problems of evil and suffering. (MP3)

I also found this opening speech from a debate that Steven Cowan did on the problem of evil, which may also be useful to you.

The best place to learn about no-see-ums is in this amazing, perfect lecture by Biola University professor Doug Geivett.

6 thoughts on “Can atheists know whether God has a reason for allowing pain and suffering?”

  1. Just trying to get my head around this, as i have, like others, struggled with the argument from evil.
    Would it be true to say, first of all, that Rowe is arrogating to himself universal knowledge about, in this case, the purpose of evil; while denying it to a being who should have universal knowledge?
    Would it also be true to say that, excising the hand-me-downs from Christianity (forgiveness, loving your enemies, healing, conversion to a different view of the world that recognises the effects of sin, etc.), Rowe is left in the position of saying to the abused child, ‘It’s just pointless suffering, get over it.’
    Interestingly, Chris Hedges, an atheist who wrote, I Don’t Believe in Atheists, said that while he believed that we can do without the idea of God, we can’t do without the idea of sin.
    Many thanks for a great website, i discovered it only recently.

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    1. “Would it be true to say, first of all, that Rowe is arrogating to himself universal knowledge about, in this case, the purpose of evil; while denying it to a being who should have universal knowledge?”

      Yes. He thinks that he is in a position to know for certain that no good purpose is achieved by allowing at least some instances of evil. He is claiming to be able to look into the future, and around the world, to the end of time, to all people and animals, and then to assert that permitting some specific evil X is, on balance, not a good deal for achieving more good than evil. And note that atheists mean happy feelings when they say good, whereas on Christian theism, we mean knowledge or God and relationship with God. Wo how can Rowe possibly know that claim in premise 1? He can’t, because his human powers of knowing aren’t powerful enough to know all the effects that canceling some instance of suffering would have.

      “Would it also be true to say that, excising the hand-me-downs from Christianity (forgiveness, loving your enemies, healing, conversion to a different view of the world that recognises the effects of sin, etc.), Rowe is left in the position of saying to the abused child, ‘It’s just pointless suffering, get over it.’”

      Yes, again. All that the atheist can say to a suffering person on atheism is “tough luck”. There is also no reason for them to sacrifice themselves to help others except 1) if it makes them feel good or 2) if it makes them avoid feeling bad. Those are the only two motivations to act “good” or “evil” on atheism. And by good and evil, then mean “inline with the arbitrary conventions that evolved accidentally as a result of biological and cultural evolution”. When there is no God, there is no way we ought to be, objectively. And when there is no God, there is no afterlife, and therefore no reason to sacrifice yourself for others in the here and now.

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  2. Oh, I can’t take it anymore! I’m pulling my hair out reading this post. Wisdom people, oh why must we make everything so complicated? Why do we think that the ways of God are unfathomable? Logic people. We know the nature of God. This is what had me upset about the Craig/Law debate.

    Please, first, don’t call evil, what is a-moral. How can you compare a Tsunami to a Holocaust? No, I refuse to accept the “this life is not Just” drivel. Life might not be fair, but it is Just! This is why we have scripture, together with the law to guide us. The Stephen Laws and William Rowe’s of the world can afford to be ignorant but we cannot.
    We know the world was created by a Just God, so it follows that the natural laws that are put in place are Good and Just. When bad things happen they must then be examined, not as some random act of nature, but as a purposed act constrained for the most part, (miracles and punishments being exceptions, and Good) within the boundaries of natural law. So when non random acts occur like heavy precipitation we must understand that it is not evil, because it is not of a moral nature, and it’s affects are natural. Natural disasters can also be of course opportunities for grace, but their occurrence is not of a moral nature.

    When instead an act of evil is perpetrated and an innocent person is victimized, this is a moral evil, but it it un-Just? No. Why? Because the consequence follows the action as a matter of natural law. For example if fornication is evil and it is perpetrated between consenting evil people, it has negative consequences whether they believe it’s evil or not. If God removed the consequence when an innocent child was involved, the result would be that all of a sudden child rape would be fine (because children wouldn’t suffer from it). Natural Law is part of the nature of God, it can only be violated by Him, not by our wishful thinking.

    It would not be a better world if Bad things never happened. It would be a sick disgusting world where everyone did whatever they wanted and no one got hurt. It would be the Utopia that the atheist is after. As Christians we need to answer these arguments with a little more wisdom.

    I’m not sure why I’ve never ever heard a proper logical reaction to these arguments when it seems so elementary to me.

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    1. Agreed. So that’s the natural law theodicy you’re talking about and that’s a real theodicy. If you remove the predictable laws of nature, you remove moral responsibility. And God values moral responsibility more than he values humans having happy feelings. Sorry, but that’s the sucky truth.

      There are other theodicies like the free will defense and the character formation theodicy, as well. But atheists just can’t get past the fact that God would allow them to feel unhappy for any reason. They resent the idea that they have to form their characters at all. They thing they should be able to do anything they want and that no harm should result to themselves or others. In fact, they want to redefine the moral law to that their selfish choices become the new standard of good and evil.

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  3. The following attempt of a solution of the Problem of Evil, called “Theodicy from divine justice”, may show that there is no gratuitous evil:

    – God’s perfect justice prevents Him from relieving people with unforgiven sins from their sufferings (see Isaiah 59,1-2).
    – Unlike God Christians are not perfectly just. Therefore, unlike God, they are in a position to help people with unforgiven sins. By doing this they may make those among them who haven’t yet accepted God’s salvation receptive of it (Matthew 5,16, 1 Peter 2,11-12, and 3,1-2), which in turn frees these persons from suffering in the afterlife.
    – The greater God’s beneficial power due to His love, the greater God’s destructive power due to His justice (see Matthew 13,27-29). Striving to prevent as much suffering as possible God can only interfere to such a degree that the beneficial effect of the interference is not neutralized by the destructive effect of it.
    – Someone who dies before he or she reaches the age of accountability, i.e. before he or she can distinguish between good and evil (see Genesis 2,16-17, Deuteronomy 1,39, and Isaiah 7,16) faces no punishment in the afterlife, as he or she would not have been able to commit sins. So, God may not be inclined to prevent such a person’s death.
    – A person’s suffering in this life may have a redeeming effect (Luke 16,25) and consequently contribute to a decrease of the respective person’s suffering in the afterlife; the amount of suffering in this life is so to speak subtracted from the amount of suffering in the afterlife. So, God may not be inclined to relieve this person’s suffering.
    – A person’s suffering in this life may make the person receptive of God’s salvation (Luke 15,11-21), which in turn frees this person from suffering in the afterlife.
    – There are degrees of punishment in the afterlife depending on one’s moral behaviour (Matthew 16,27, 2 Corinthians 5,10), one’s knowledge of God’s will (Matthew 11,20-24, Luke 12,47-48), and, as mentioned before, one’s amount of suffering in this life (Luke 16,25).
    – Those people who suffer more in this life than they deserve due to their way of life are compensated for it by receiving rewards in Heaven.

    This may also apply to a kind of evil that has been called “social evil” and that is explained in the following link:

    Click to access Social%20Evil.pdf

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    1. I think this is personally true for me:
      “- A person’s suffering in this life may make the person receptive of God’s salvation (Luke 15,11-21), which in turn frees this person from suffering in the afterlife.”

      Great comment, Patrick! What you wrote encourages me to be a little more patient with God. Running the universe is a tough job.

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